Talk:St Brice's Day massacre

Disputed

There is no detail about the massacre in the church as per [1]. However, per [2] there was a lot more destruction which doesn't seem like it would have been all done on one day. So something seems amiss. —howcheng {chat} 23:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I fail to see a dispute here, the references provided clearly call it a massacre but then also confirm numbers are unknown. So the title of the article isn't wrong and then bit about lack of information for the numbers killed, is mentioned in the article. I am going to remove the tag from the page. NZFC^(talk)(cont) 03:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Millenarianism?

Æthelred's biographer, Ryan Lavelle... views the massacre... as an exploitation of popular ethnic hatred and millenarianism.

Are you sure there was a a general feeling of a millennial apocalypse? We're usually told that the years were commonly reckoned in reigns, rather than centuries. Valetude (talk) 03:09, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Years were reckoned in reigns in earlier periods but by the later Anglo-Saxon period AD dates had become standard. According to Levi Roach in his biography of Æthelred, there were millenium fears in England, but not significant and much less that on the Continent. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

St. John's College, Oxford

Re the excavations and discovery of skeletons - do we know what was on the site of St. John's College in 1002, over 500 years before the college was founded? Valetude (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Genocide

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. "a campaign of genocide"

Yet the article refers to this event as a massacre, which is an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people. The act was genocide in that the murders were of a specific group. I believe this event should be recorded as genocide. Please respond here.

--Pennine rambler (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Nope. "Just" a massacre. Also, Wiki is not the place for Original Research. 50.111.27.52 (talk) 03:34, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

No original research in my edits, see citations, also see another reliable source here at Yale with details that could help this article, the matter of genocide is addressed there, https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2016/11/11/the-st-brices-day-massacre-then-and-now/

--Pennine rambler (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The Yale source says "comparisons with modern experiences of mass genocide are somewhat wide of the mark". That does not support your argument.

OED defines genocide as "The deliberate and systematic extermination of an ethnic or national group.". The massacre was not systematic. Dudley Miles (talk) 07:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Definition of genocide depends where you look, Cambridge differs as does Wikipedia. The definition of massacre I see is "an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people", the problem there is it was not indiscriminate, victims were selected on grounds of being Danes and Danish descendants, at Wikipedia "Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people — usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group — in whole or in part." Yet I agree the geographical area and numbers involved according to archaeological evidence found so far does not fit with the numbers and geographic extent of 20th century genocides. Is this event then Ethnic cleansing? Pennine rambler (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Expansion of article

This site which appears to be a reliable source has valuable information that could help expand this stub of an article.

https://www.archaeology.org/issues/109-1311/features/1421-viking-england-st-brices-day#art_page1

--Pennine rambler (talk) 00:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Mistake should be "80's of X century" instead "80's of XIX century" 83.218.114.134 (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)