Talk:State visit by Xi Jinping to the United States

Requested move 20 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved to 2015 Xi Jinping visit to the United States. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 00:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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2015 Xi Jinping United States visit → 2015 Xi Jinping visit to the United States – Grammatically awkward. Must be similar to 1972 Nixon visit to China. Alternatively, you can go for "2015 Xi visit to the United States", but that looks ambiguous. George Ho (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Support 2015 Xi visit to the United States, based on how Xi Jinping is referred to in his article. sst✈^(discuss) 16:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support 2015 Xi Jinping visit to the United States, i support the move, but using the full name to avoid confusion. Xi is far more ambiguous than 'Nixon', i.e. his father was also a communist leader. Therefore the full name should be used. For example: 'Xi' links to a disambiguation page, 'Nixon' links to Richard Nixon.  InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{InsertTalkHere}  13:41, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Any objection to noting the protests?

it seems that the protests that took place as xi jinping visited the US were also fairly noteworthy. is there any reason they are not already in the article? i don't mind adding, just curious of the lay of the land. Happy monsoon day 00:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Failed DYK nomination

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The result was: rejected by 4meter4 (talk) 05:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

2015 Xi Jinping United States visit

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• ... that Xi Jinping, the president of China, spoke about anti-corruption in a banquet speech in Seattle during his United States visit in 2015?

• ALT 1: ... that Xi Jinping, the president of China, spoke about anti-corruption in a banquet speech in Seattle during his 2015 visit to the United States?
• ALT 2: ... that Xi Jinping, the president of China, spoke about anti-corruption and using the quote of the House of Cards in a banquet speech in Seattle during his 2015 visit to the United States?

Created by Shwangtianyuan (talk). Self-nominated at 04:16, 16 November 2015 (UTC).

• Comment only Hook wording tweaked slightly. Edwardx (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

• I don't know "Hook wording" is what, but this article is fixed some errors on 19th.Shwangtianyuan (talk) 07:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• The "hook" is the phrase above (that will hopefully one day appear on the main page) that starts "...that Chinese President" Edwardx (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• I changed the quote "Xi Jinping, the president of China,".Shwangtianyuan (talk) 02:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

• Added ALT 1. George Ho (talk) 05:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that hooks seem to be set. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

  New?

  Long enough?

  Within policy? I added one CN during my quick copyedit of the article. There are no dispute templates but there is that Rough Translation maintenance template. I don't know if that has an impact on DYK?

  Hook? It's good enough, but I think it could be more interesting. Is there some way to incorporate the House of Cards quote?

  Other?

  Axem Titanium (talk) 21:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• @Axem Titanium: if you have any reservations about a DYK nomination, including a tag at the top of the article or the wording or interest of the hook, please do not give it a green tick until your concerns are addressed and satisfied. @Shwangtianyuan:, are you able to suggest an alternative hook using the House of Cards quote? Can you add the citation in the first paragraph under Background? Yoninah (talk) 23:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• I didn't give the nomination a green tick overall, as you can see. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Axem Titanium, so you know for future reviews, only one icon, which summarizes the review, should be given, not several icons each covering a particular facet. The software assumes that the last icon on this page is the one that counts, and in your review would have counted this as having been approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Ah, was not aware of that. Good to know. Axem Titanium (talk) 09:12, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Added ALT2. Shwangtianyuan (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• How about:
• ALT 3: ... that Xi Jinping, the president of China, referred to his anti-corruption campaign as "no House of Cards" at a banquet speech in Seattle during his 2015 visit to the United States? Axem Titanium (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• It's OK. Shwangtianyuan (talk) 08:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you, @Shwangtianyuan: and @Axem Titanium: for fine-tuning the hook. There is still the matter of a citation needed tag in the Background section. And there is close paraphrasing in the article. Wikipedia is not a newspaper in which you summarize what the sources say; you also cannot just move words around in the same sentence and print the sentence. You have to rewrite the material in your own words, or directly quote it from the source:
• Source: seek an equitable, open, comprehensive and innovation-driven development path in an effort to achieve common development of all countries.
• Article: Xi said the world would seek an equitable, open, comprehensive and innovation-driven development path in an effort to achieve common development of all countries after 2015.
• Source: Xi Jinping announced that China will set up the South-South cooperation assistance fund, with initial contribution of 2 billion USD, to support other developing countries to implement their post-2015 development agenda.
• Article: He announced that China will set up the South–South cooperation assistance fund, with an initial contribution of 2 billion US dollars, to support other developing countries to implement the post-2015 development agenda.
• Source: the country would prioritize a secure Internet, and defended the rights of countries to impose their own regulations on domestic Internet development.
• Article: He said China would give priority to a secure Internet, and defended the rights of countries to impose their own regulations.
• Source: Xi also brought both books and ping-pong balls and tables as gifts.
• Article: Xi also brought books and ping-pong balls and tables.
• Source: Lincoln High football players presented Chinese President Xi Jinping with a custom No. 1 Lincoln Abes jersey
• Article: Lincoln High School's football players presented Xi with a No. 1 Lincoln Abes jersey.
• Source: greeted by applause from a large group of politicians and business leaders.
• Article: They were greeted by a large group of politicians and business leaders.
• Source: He also pledged 100 million US dollars in assistance to the African Union over five years to ameliorate the organization's crisis response.
• Article: Xi also pledged ​$100 million in assistance to the African Union ​over five years​ to ameliorate the organization's crisis response.
• Source: He led a delegation representing the corn industry to the strongly agricultural state of Iowa in 1985.
• Article: His first visit was leading a delegation representing the corn industry to the strongly agricultural state of Iowa in 1985.
• Source: Earlier, Inspur, a Chinese cloud computing and data-center company, said it will team with Cisco Systems to sell networking technologies and products in China.
• Article: Also, a Chinese cloud computing and data-center company Inspur said it will be cooperating with Cisco Systems to sell networking technologies and products in China.
• Source: Xi attended a forum hosted by the Paulson Foundation, an economic think tank founded by former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
• Article: Xi attended a forum hosted by the Paulson Foundation, an economic think tank founded by former US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
• In going through the sources, I also noted places where the article misstates the source. Someone may have to go through the entire article to ensure that it accurately represents the source material. Yoninah (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• I rewrote some sentences, removed one sentence and add a source. But I think the process of DYK is too long in English Wikipedia (my last article, Huawei Watch, I waited about 1 month and appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page.)Shwangtianyuan (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• @Shwangtianyuan: Yes, the process has slowed down significantly in recent months because of fewer reviewers. Right now we have 320 nominations, of which only about a third have been reviewed. While you're waiting, why not write another article and submit it? :) Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you for going over the close paraphrasing. But in cleaning up the copyvios, you deleted important information that was in the source and that should be stated. Avoiding close paraphrasing doesn't mean leaving out details. If the source says "Xi attended a forum hosted by the Paulson Foundation, an economic think tank founded by Henry Paulson", you cannot abbreviate that to "Xi attended a forum hosted by Henry Paulson" without readers wondering what you're talking about. I did a further copyedit, adding back what the sources say and, in one case, quoting the source directly for a chunk of text that couldn't be reasonably paraphrased. As I reviewed your changes, and saw the mistakes you were adding to the article, I still stand by my original contention that the article seems to be misstating the sources. Someone needs to go through the entire article to ensure that it accurately represents the source material. Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, been pretty busy with life this week. I went through all the sources again and removed what I believe to be is the remaining close paraphrasing and any misrepresentation of sources. I believe the sourcing issue has been resolved at this point. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• I've been asked to spotcheck verifiability issues here, and I do have some concerns about the article accurately reflecting the sources. For example, the article states that "Experts and members of Congress in attendance [at the human rights hearing] called on President Obama..." to address certain issues - but the source was written before the hearing took place, so cannot comment at all on what was said there. Another example is "The protesters dispersed by 6:00 pm". What the source actually says was that the protest had diminished, but that there were still over 30 protesters there. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
• I was asked to check the article's Chinese-language sources. I copyedited the article a bit, but found no issues with content from the Chinese-language sources. -Zanhe (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

• Based on Nikkimaria's confirmation, this needs further fixing, not a reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

• Nominator was pinged, and does not seem interested in working further on the nomination. Marking it for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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