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Requested move 19 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to "Steam (service)". (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Steam (software) → Steam (platform) – Steam is rarely known as just software, it is a digital distribution platform. For brevity and clarity's sake, the disambiguator should be "platform". A similar move should be considered for Origin (digital distribution platform). Lordtobi (✉) 19:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

• Support for both. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:48, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
• Not thrilled necessary on "platform" as the disambig term. Maybe "service" instead (I can find a few examples of that around , but nothing for "(platform)") --Masem (t) 22:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • It's in a weird spot because it's more than a simple distribution platform/service, as it offers developer and community features that most other competitors don't (looking at you, EGS...) I'm also fine if we keep it at software, because that's probably the most encompassing term out of the three. At the very least, Origin should be moved. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose "Platform" is not obviously talking about a software platform. It could be anything, including a physical, well, platform. I prefer software to describe it, as it requires the Steam client software to function._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
• Support move and Support move to Steam (service) per Masem. Steam is much more than just its software client, so it is no longer appropriate to disambiguate it as software. Zxcvbnm brings up a good point in which the word "platform" has varying definitions and thus may not be appropriate. "Service" has a relatively agreed-upon definition in economics, and it describes the kind of business Steam offers adequately, in my view. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 07:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
• Support Steam (service) for ambiguity of the term, it's also used with Tidal (service) and Mega (service). Though I don't oppose Steam (platform) if consensus is decidedly so. I also support any move away from Origin (digital distribution platform), preferably one consistent with Steam. Lazz_R 18:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
• Neutral Software is still accurate enough in my view, Steam itself is essentially a software solution. While there may be some hardware peripherals products like the Steam Controller, etc, they are secondary to the core service. "Service" may be an ok alternative that I wouldn't oppose, but I agree with Zxcvbnm regarding "Platform". -- ferret (talk) 18:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
• Support using either the "platform" or "service" clarifiers rather than the current "software". (The title "Steam (software)" would make me think the article is specifically just about Valve's Steam software client rather than about the broader platform.) ╠╣uw [talk] 11:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose "platform", Support Steam (service).  Nixinova  T  C  07:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
• Comment as nominator; I'd also be fine with "service", as long as it is uniform with Origin et al. Lordtobi (✉) 07:24, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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Gaming

I've edited the page to replace "gaming" with "video game(s)" where it seemed appropriate. Wikipedia uses "gaming" to refer to the activity of playing video games. Steam sells video games, a type of product, and provides services to facilitate the playing of video games. It's useful to have clarity, rather than referring to everything relating to video games as "gaming". --Dalziel 86 (talk) 06:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

But Steam supports the activity of "gaming" by your definition (matchmaking, friends list, etc.) So changing it here is inappropriate.

What we do want to avoid is using the concept of the "gaming industry" as there is no industry around the playing of games (or more specifically, that's esports). That is the "video game industry". The "gaming" being used here is refering to the activity and not the industry, so it is fine. --Masem (t) 07:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, don't get me wrong: you have a valid point, and I've brought up a larger issue at WT:VG related to where we use "video gaming" perhaps inappropriately in titles. Just that on this page, Steam supports gaming functionality, so the full switch is not really appropriate. --Masem (t) 07:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I personally don't love the activity of playing video games being called "gaming", but I wanted to respect the current pattern. Apart from that, though, many of the changes you've reverted are referring to: a) the product/object of a video game, not the activity, (i.e. "non-gaming software" and "the PC gaming market" refers to software not an activity); or b) the culture and industry around video games (i.e. "gaming communities", "gaming websites"), which is inconsistent with the title of Video game culture. Even if we retain the definition of "gaming" as the activity of playing video games, those two categories of things shouldn't just be called "gaming".Dalziel 86 (talk) 10:29, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Billion accounts is fake news

Billion registererd accounts is fake news and all mentions of it should be removed, read [1]. As usual the supposed journalist don't know what they're talking about, don't do any research such as checking their sources or getting a comment from the company or this expert. This also explains why the company didn't announce it themselves.

If anyone has time, they could contact these websites to get these articles corrected.--Uncoolstorybro (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

A possible source and/or external link?

GamesIndustry.biz put up this guide (with multiple subarticles) on how to publish on Steam. While we are not a how-to, it does have, reading between lines, the process (as of 2019-2020) of how a game gets published to Steam which might be helpful encyclopedic information at a high level. But I'd like to pass that by before adding just again, WP is not a how to guide. --Masem (t) 01:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Masem, maybe a generalized sentence or two, but anything more becomes guide-like and should be avoided. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I've added just a few brief things. Mainly to focus on a key fact that there is this "build review" all games go through within a week of release that Valve performs as a free part of its service. --Masem (t) 22:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Steam's 2-hour refund policy criticized for a game

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere. Talk:Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020 video game)#Review bombed on Steam

84.250.17.211 (talk) 01:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Do non-Beta users have the "Steam Big Picture /media player too?

Do the non-Beta Steam versions runners (on the MacOS) have the integrated Steam Big Picture browser as well? Steam has a web browser and media player if you click on "Big Picture Mode" on the upper right. Then "Settings" on upper right again, then one can click on "web browser" in the middle of the screen. Then goto "Web" at the bottom and the Steam browser pops up allowing the ability to surf anywhere on the internet. One any site such as "WhatsMyBrowser.org" that will tell the version # of Steam web Browser you currently have running. CaribDigita (talk) 01:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM, but there are no current beta related features for Big Picture Mode. Beta versions are typically only a couple weeks ahead of stable. These features are available outside of Big Picture Mode besides. -- ferret (talk) 01:34, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: NoForum. You told me to come to talk page and I am merely checking as you were the one who said Steam had no web browser, or never gets used as that or something to that effect regarding my edit. CaribDigita (talk) 01:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Steam has Chromium integrated for supporting Store and Community features, as well as the 10 Foot Screen feature of Big Picture Mode on TVs. It is not a general web browser though nor marketed as such, and it is not known for or used as a browser game platform. -- ferret (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Steam China launch

I'm obviously not going to add without a better source but word is that alpha launch of Steam China was yesterday or day before but was very quiet. [2]. --Masem (t) 02:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I thought this already launched a few months ago? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

From RSes, as of Feb 2020 it was still coming soon [3]. --Masem (t) 19:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Checking Chinese-language news seems to bring up no such release, the most recent I could find, [4] from May 15, only says that it registered some domains and that the service was still to come (if Google Translate didn't fail me here). I'm curious as to why Win.gg is the only outlet reporting this. IceWelder [✉] 20:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

If it was a quiet alpha launch meaning only a few limited users, it would make sense why no major sites are talking about it. As I said, win.gg isn't reliable to use to source this for the article, just that I'll be watching a bit more closely for any more news of Steam China now. --Masem (t) 23:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Since this topic is still up and I know Dissident just recently prepped, looks like Steam China launches Feb 9. [5]. Would wait until we see it to add. --Masem (t) 20:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

does steam beta changes page exist

is there page on steam beta update that tell what new in current steam beta? 2001:14BB:1C3:29FE:164:1561:D082:5B2C (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

There is this but we wouldn't incorporate that into the article. IceWelder [✉] 12:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Logo

desktop icon -- the only logo in the article currently

proper logo?

Why are we using the desktop app icon as the infobox logo? It seems to have been edit warred over a little bit and then finally changed in Special:Diff/696605488 in December 2015 without an edit summary or any talk page discussion as far as I can tell. If you look at places like the Steam homepage https://store.steampowered.com/, the bottom of Valve's site https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/, and pages like https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/?feed=steam_blog the logo with words (on commons at File:Steam gray-brown logo.svg or black and white at File:Steam 2016 logo black.svg) is much more prominent. Steam's December 2017 brand guidelines (some other info is here) say that on screens and printed the logo should always be the wordmark in black or white. DemonDays64 (talk) 01:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC) (please ping on reply)