Talk:Stephen Sondheim Theatre

Crazy idea to see if it sticks – Split?

I was thinking that perhaps this article should be split into two articles, one for the old Henry Miller's Theatre and one for the Stephen Sondheim Theatre. The Sondheim is in reality an all-new theatre aside from the facade, not merely a renovation of the old theatre. We do already have separate articles for the modern Lyric Theatre and its namesake predecessor for which the modern theatre's facades were originally built. Like the Sondheim it too is really a new theatre in the same location as an old one. The counterpoint would be that the old Henry Miller's and Sondheim are almost always treated as one in other sources, and therefore they might not have independent notability; I will note that the Playbill "At This Theatre" article for the Sondheim does note that it's a new building before going into the history of the old theatre. So I figured I'd just throw the idea out there to see what others think. oknazevad (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I like the idea of separating the two and think you should do it. Buckyboot (talk) 02:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to oppose the idea of splitting the articles. For the old Lyric/Apollo and current Lyric, the sources really do talk about these three as separate theaters, since the original Lyric/Apollo had to be combined into a single venue. Thus, it didn't make sense to combine all three into a single article, as that would cause confusion. The new Lyric also originally had a completely different name, the Ford Center for the Performing Arts, as it wasn't fully related to either theater.

On the other hand, the Stephen Sondheim and the original Henry Miller's are discussed as a single theater in numerous sources; in fact, the current theater was still called the Henry Miller's for half a year after it reopened. The sources seem to largely describe the current theater as a ground-up rebuild of the older one, not as a brand-new theater that happens to share a name, site, and facade with the previous structure on the site. To me, this would be akin to breaking up the Lunt-Fontanne Theatre into two articles because the interior was rebuilt in the 1950s, or splitting the Empire Theatre on 42nd Street into two because it was relocated and repurposed. Since the sources do, as a whole, talk about the Henry Miller's/Stephen Sondheim as a single theater, I think it should remain a single article. Epicgenius (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Credit for design of 1918 theater

Allen teamed with architects Harry Creighton Ingalls and F. Burrall Hoffman, but Hoffman left the project to enlist in military service during WW1.

See the Cornelius article page 124: "at the inception of the project Mr. Allen associated himself with Mr. Ingalls and Mr. Hoffman, architects of the Little Theatre and Neighborhood Playhouse, for the designing and execution of this particular building. At Mr. Hoffman's entrance into the government service at the very beginning of the work, the onus fell entirely upon Mr. Allen and Mr. Ingalls, and their competent cooperation has given to New York a theatre whose peer is scarce to be found" Buckyboot (talk) 03:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification @Buckyboot. I've added this now. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

terrific...thank you for following up. Buckyboot (talk) 02:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)