Talk:Stevan K. Pavlowitch

Improving this article (September 2023)

@Dl2000, @Peacemaker67 I had no idea my edit would be so controversial but I must apologise for not taking the time to leave a proper edit summary. That said I'm not sure why it deserved a revert and a warning on my TP, my edits were perfectly sourced from his obituary in the telegraph. I mostly improved the quality of the writing and article structure per WP:MOSBIO. The content that I removed from the article is supported by that dead link and seemed to include excessive details (e.g. where Slobodan Jovanović is buried, names of all the PMs ..etc) or poor writing ("the family sought refuge in London accompanied by Dušan Simović, Momčilo Ninčić, Miloš Trifunović, Draško Stojković, Slobodan Jovanović, and their families." when in fact, it's in the source that his family relocated to the United Kingdom following the government in exile where his father was appointed chief of the Cabinet of the Prime Ministers.) I only replaced it with content supported by a reliable (and verifiable) source already in the article. I switched the infobox from scientist to academic because according to the article he wasn't "scientist, medic, engineer, mathematician or (scientific) academic." I changed the text in Cyrillic to English because we are on the English Wiki not Serbian. For the same reason I removed his Serbian name from the lead as he is someone who emigrated as a child and that seemed unnecessary (e.g. Isaac Asimov). I only tried to improve that article; I still think these changes are needed. Please discuss/comment here instead or reverting, thanks. Dunnbledorets$ (talk) 09:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Dunnbledorets$ (talk) 09:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

All I did was rm his ethnicity. I haven’t looked at the reverted edit in detail, although at first blush it doesn’t look controversial. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dunnbledorets$: Thank you for your detailed response, and generally no concerns with the issues you mention. The major red flag in your earlier edit was that although you added 2 citations, 5 other citations were removed, which did not seem to be explained only as "Improvements":

• "Dva avionska leta" (in Serbian). Politika Online. 11 December 2011. Retrieved 2 January 2015.
• Ivana Mićević (2 December 2011). "Posmrtni ostaci Slobodana Jovanovića stižu u Srbiju" (in Serbian). Večernje novosti. Retrieved 2 January 2015.
• "Pavlowitch, Stevan K." The Writers Directory. Ed. Lisa Kumar. 29th ed. Vol. 2. Detroit: St. James Press, 2012.
• "Professor Stevan K. Pavlowitch". University of London. Archived from the original on 13 March 2013.
• "Srbija i Velika Britanija: Ko je bio istoričar Stevan K. Pavlović - kosmopolita i džentlmen srpskog porekla". BBC News. 25 February 2022. Retrieved 26 February 2022.

These references didn't seem to be unreliable, and even where a link or two wasn't working, that should be fixed if possible ((WP:DEADREF). Otherwise, a more meaningful edit summary would help avoid confusion.

@Peacemaker67: No issues with following ethnicity guidelines, my revert was before your edit.

Dl2000 (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

On second review, my revert included changes regarding the ethnicity so admittedly a bit of a WP:BATHWATER change. Dl2000 (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand the red flag, I intend to use every available resources so those references will definitely be in once rescued, my bad for rushing things too much and skipping edit summary. Take care. Dunnbledorets$ (talk) 10:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)