Talk:Stitch's Great Escape!

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I know this may be unlikely to happen but......

Hi there,.with D23 around the corner and with a possible announcement at D23 about the replacement of SGE I want to place a scenario here (well two seperate scenarios). I know this is unlikely to happen and it is just theoretical but anyway im jusy asking out of curiosity.

The year is 2023, it is 5 years after SGE last operated and Disney still hasn't made an official announcement to say that Stitch's Great Escape has closed would we still continue to wait until an official annoncement is released or would we just assume that SGE has closed for good by then. (Now, I personally doubt that we would ever get to the point that the status of this attraction is still in limbo and that Disney would remain silent about SGE's status and either it will have reopened again or Disney will have announced it as closed before that date)

Also, if we were to continue to assume that SGE is still "operating" past 2023 until Disney ever makes an announcement about the future of SGE and we reach 2028 which wpuld be 10 years since the it last operated and we are still waiting for Disney to announce something about it's future. Would we still assume that the ride is still "operating" in 2028 or would it be that by that point that it's operating status is changed to closed (regardless of whether or not we've gotten an official announcenent by Disney) since it would definitely be obvious that it is closed ? (Now I personally think that theres more chance of getting to 2023 with the future of SGE in limbo than getting to 2028 with the future of SGE still in limbo) Pepper Gaming (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Answer - still operating until a reliable source indicates the ride is officially closed. Anything else is based on original thought, which is inappropriate. Disney has said the attraction is operating on a seasonal basis, so there is no assumption being made. --McDoobAU93 13:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, is that even after we get to 10 years with no announcement (which I doubt would happen anyway). Pepper Gaming (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Because the last reliably-sourced article indicates the attraction is open on a seasonal basis, and no subsequent reliably-sourced article has contradicted it, per your scenario. For an example, look at Incidents at Walt Disney World Resort. There is an article about the number of lawsuits Disney sees in a year that is almost 35 years old. It is woefully out of date in my opinion, but since there is no subsequent article that says the number is different, it stays. --McDoobAU93 15:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

My honset thoughts are that if in 10 years time, theres no official announcement that the rides status should be changed to closed. Bearing in mind I don't know why any theme park would announce that a ride or attraction is closed. But each to their own thoughts. Pepper Gaming (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Ummmm, theme parks announce impending ride closures frequently. For example, Disney shared the last operating day for The Great Movie Ride and Ellen's Energy Adventure before those attractions were closed to be re-imagined into Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway and Guardians of the Galaxy, respectively. Regional amusement parks do the same before they remove significant rides, advising riders when they should get their last rides in. Heck, Disney has merchandise for the impending retirement of IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth. --McDoobAU93 19:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

With all the criticism of this attraction in the Disney community, I doubt this ride was significant in a good way. Wikipedia consensus' aside, My peesonal beliefs about the attraction's status is that I doubt it will ever re-open again, so if anything is going to ever get mentioned by Disney about SGE it'll most likely be that it's closed for good and a replacement is on it's way. Do you personally believe the same thing or do you personally believe that it will eventully re-open? Pepper Gaming (talk) 01:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Facts don't care about my feelings, but yes, I believe it probably won't re-open. Disney being Disney, however, they could re-open it today just to give people something to do before the park closes early. --McDoobAU93 13:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Status - SBNO

I think the status should be changed to standing but not operating. The ride hasn't run since January 2018 and there is no sign of any change. Getting hysterical about "but nobody's officially said anything" is 1) letting process override reality, 2) causing confusion to readers, and 3) plain wrong: Disney's own website says "temporarily closed". Stifle (talk) 13:39, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Temporary ride closures do not change ride statuses. Encyclopedias, believe it or not, are processes, because they rely on facts, not assumptions or speculation. There's nothing confusing in the article. It says the ride has been operating on a seasonal basis since October 2016, and Disney saying it's temporarily closed simply means the ride isn't currently in use. It doesn't mean it can't be restarted if needed for one reason or another. And no official source has stated the "final operating day"; even the News13 article says that's what social media is saying, nothing more. --McDoobAU93 13:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I even added something in the article markup specifically mentioning against this, as it violates WP:TRAVELGUIDE. TheBuddy92 (talk) 06:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Seasonal Operation

I changed status to seasonal operation because it is currently in seasonal operation (though it has been closed for 1 1/2 years) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DM1256 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

There is no standard value called "Seasonal Operation" in the status parameter. Consensus has deemed that the attraction's status is to remain just "Operating" (which is one of the standard values of the parameter, hence the green text it carries) until further official word comes out regarding the operating status of the attraction. Those hidden notices were there both at the top of the source text and in the status parameter's field for a reason.–WPA (talk) 04:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Change the infobox

This is ridiculous. The ride has not operated since 2018. It's listed on My Disney Experience (the official WDW app) as closed. The park map doesn't list it. There are leaked photos of the animatronics stripped. And of the theaters covered in mold and mildew. If nothing else, it should be changed to closed for consistency. Splash Mountain is listed as under construction because why? Because it's closed for refurb. And this ban on not mentioning it hasn't operated since 2018 seems to spit in the face of WP:RS, and in to the face of what the facts are. We may not be a travel guide, but stating a ride hasn't run since a date is not acting like a travel guide. It's simply stating facts. I think one could argue that "operating seasonally" should be an accepted value in the infobox to. Regardless of what the theme park wikiproject decides, there must be changes made, because of of now, the article is not fully factually accurate and is downright misleading to the average person. TrueCRaysball | ^#RaysUp 01:36, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

And construction permits have been filed to demolish the interior. I agree. The WP:OWNership needs to stop. Stifle (talk) 16:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Stifle TrueCRaysball I agree, I'm expecting an announcement of its replacement within the next few months or so. I've constantly disagreed with users as to why they wanted to have the attraction still being regarded as operating for all this time and hopefully there is more clarity now. On a final note I believe that with all the fansite evidence of the attraction being closed since 2018, the attraction closing date should be regarded as January 6th 2018 for that reason. Pepper Gaming (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there are some who think the only acceptable source on the subject is Disney itself, which does not accord with normal Wikipedia practice. Stifle (talk) 12:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Stifle, I completely understand and agree that Disney shouldn't be the only and primary source for attraction closures, I mean it's pretty much obvious that the attraction has been closed for over two years now but most users won't accept that. On the other hand I personally accept the articles from fan-sites as sources but I personally won't change anything because I don't want to start an edit war with anyone who thinks it's right to keep the attractions status in the Infobox as "operating" despite numerous unofficial sources saying otherwise and despite no actual evidence of it opening since January 6, 2018. On a final note of this message, if anyone else wants to change the attractions status to closed and add anything regarding the attractions satus to closed, that's fine by me. Pepper Gaming (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Closure

WDWNT has seen a cast member memo stating the attraction is closed permanently, see https://wdwnt.com/2020/07/breaking-stitchs-great-escape-rivers-of-light-and-primeval-whirl-officially-closed-forever-at-walt-disney-world/ Stifle (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Stifle: That is an interesting development, along with Primeval Whirl and Rivers of Light closing. However, I should point out that WDWNT hasn't shared this memo itself in their article, only telling that it has been sent to Cast Members; why aren't they sharing this memo proper? Additionally, as of this writing, the official webpage for the attraction is still online; Disney would be taking down a ride's webpage ASAP when it's ceased to exist. It could be taken down by tomorrow, but who knows at this point? –WPA (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Again, we need to wait until official; there is no deadline on this. Fan-sites are not reliable, and WDWNT is one of the worst offenders. --McDoobAU93 23:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Well now Attractions Magazine has stated that they got confirmation from Disney that SGE! and the two Animal Kingdom attractions are closed. https://attractionsmagazine.com/disney-world-permanently-closes-rivers-light-primeval-whirl-stitchs-great-escape/ –WPA (talk) 23:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

McDoobAU93: You don't get a veto on what appears on this page, see WP:OWN. Nevertheless, you will see that I did not, in fact, edit the page (yet), only shared the link. The line for verifiability is not "until official", though, it is when reliable sources have written about it. It does not need to be from Disney itself, and indeed, that would be a primary source, to which secondary sources are preferred.

WikiPediaAid: The various Disney park websites are not always accurate either; Paris's Café des Cascadeurs has been deleted from the site but is slated to reopen with their Avengers Campus. Stifle (talk) 08:14, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Additional sources for Stitch's Great Escape closure:

• https://www.laughingplace.com/w/news/2020/07/16/walt-disney-world-announces-stitchs-great-escape-primeval-whirl-and-rivers-of-light-we-are-one-closed-permanently-will-not-return/
• https://www.themeparktourist.com/news/20200326/28774/stitchs-great-escape-finally-be-demolished-eventually

Stifle (talk) 08:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not a veto; it's adherence to Wiki guidelines. Improperly sourced information can be challenged and removed at any time by any editor. However, "Attractions" magazine is indeed considered reliable, so that source trumps fan-sites. --McDoobAU93 12:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Dismantled Stitch

Show a picture of the dismantled Stitch animatronic 174.24.104.56 (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)