Talk:Stitch's Great Escape!/Archive

Criticism

Uh does anybody else think that the criticisms page is written a bit harshly? CaravaggioFan 22:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I changed the wording of the criticism section to be slightly more NPOV 24.99.184.158 00:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Burp

I think the "burp" comment is harsh i thought that was enjoyable and sounds like some one moaning about it rather than being a peace of factual information. it is also an out of place spoiler. 195.93.21.65 12:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Reviews

I think there should either be links/references to these negative reviews or have that section removed completely. I have reworded the last statement to remove the weasel words CaravaggioFan 22:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Theme Park Insider rating

Regarding this section:

According to http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/, Stitch's Great Escape is number 4 in the Top 10 Most Disliked Theme Park Attractions anywhere in the world. The ride has averaged a 4 out of 10, which is compiled by user votes.

As of today, that rating is based on 80 votes which is hardly scientific based on the millions of guests who likely have experienced the attraction since it opened in 2004. Is it unpopular with many Disney theme park fans who have expressed an opinion online? Absolutely. Adding this minutiae to the article seems designed only to support someone's POV that the attraction is lousy; otherwise why not add the Theme Park Insider rating to every other Wikipedia article about a Disney attraction? Why only include TPI's rating when many other sources rate attractions? —Whoville 15:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, this was POV, not facts.--Napnet 18:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

About the continuity section

It's obvious that what happens on the ride is not canon with the Lilo and Stitch franchise. I can't add it in since it can't be sourced and I have never been to Disneyworld before, it's just something I wanted to bring up here. 208.3.110.254 (talk) 14:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Font/Script used for the ride

I'd like to add a section about the "language" or font used for the Galactic League Center. I've done some searching but have come up dry. Anyone got links or info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.218.42.167 (talk) 03:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC) The font is actually a cryptogram, with each symbol relating to a letter. On my last trip I decoded the language, sans 4 letters (J, K, Q and X) which I was never able to locate. You can email me at computercio@yahoo.com if you would like a copy, you should be able to decode any sign, plaque or poster in the attraction even if you come across one of the missing letters. 170.48.19.254 (talk) 16:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

What "seasonal operation" means

In Disney-speak, "seasonal operation" refers to an attraction that is still available, but closed unless it is needed. For example, on a busy day when they need something for the crowds to do (during peak periods) or in the event another attraction goes down for a planned or even unplanned period of maintenance. It is not closed, nor is it "standing but not operating", since it literally could be placed into use at a moment's notice. As such, any attempt to change its status to anything other than operating should be supported by an independent source indicating that Disney has ZERO plans to re-open the attraction, or it has announced with no uncertain terms that it is beginning construction of a new attraction that will occupy this same show building (i.e., the press release for the new attraction says it will occupy the space formerly used by Stitch's Great Escape). --McDoobAU93 19:49, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

As a similar example outside of the Disney bubble, look at water rides (log flumes, raft rides, etc.) in regular amusement parks. These attractions frequently do not operate in colder parts of the year for obvious reasons—who wants to get soaking wet when it's only 50°F/10°C outside?—but they are not listed as "standing but not operating" in this encyclopedia. That's because the attractions are available and intend to open when they are needed. In the event of an unseasonably warm day in an otherwise cold part of the season, these attractions may even open unexpectedly, provided they can be safely started and staffed adequately. Again, until we have a source saying clearly what is really going on with Stitch, we leave it the way it is, operating. --McDoobAU93 13:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I've just seen the recent edit that pestering guy did today that you just undone. I've checked the official page and it's now completely blanked out. It now leads to a 404-styled page (which, amusingly, features Stitch). Yes, we still need a source to prove that it's now gone for good, but still this is something that I've just noticed. –WPA (talk) 00:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Never mind; it's back online as of today. –WPA (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Operating

Stitch's Great Escape has been rumored to have been closed permanently on January 6th, 2018, but Disney has yet to confirm or deny the rumors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobuscus2012 Jakinator005 (talk • contribs) contribs) 23:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Rumor debunked. --McDoobAU93 13:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2018

Change Operating to Closed once Disney makes an official announcement.

Add Replaced By and add TBA (or the name of the new attraction that Disney announces.)

Add Closing date as January 6th 2018 (Once Disney makes an official announcement.) Nobuscus2012 (talk) 00:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

That is exactly the stance we are taking regarding this article. In fact, it's been that way since the ride entered seasonal operation. The reason why we placed an extended confirmation protection is because of some rather zealous IP editors and newly-registered users have been rather quick to say that the ride's run is "over", trying to use fansites and their related social media accounts as sources even though we do not find them reliable enough to warrant such changes made to the article. (See WP:FANSITE.) Likewise, any other sources that would normally be considered reliable were unreliable because they have been sourcing from these fansites instead of official sources. We are still treating this supposed closure as a rumor (see WP:RUMOR) until we get the official word from Disney. And for the record, no, announcements from their cast members do not count. The word has to come from the higher-ups at Disney or through their official PR channels. (As an aside, the attraction's official webpage is still online as of this writing on January 9, 2018.)

Simply put, when an official announcement is made, then we will make the necessary changes. –WPA (talk) 03:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Update: Once again, the official webpage has been updated so that the text "—available seasonally throughout the year" has been restored. (Here's a new archive of it on Archive.org taken moments ago.) During the last operating period, that text was cleared away. There are no new operating dates, but this is still an intriguing development. –WPA (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Another update: News 13 has just published this article at 3:33 PM EST today. This is (part of) what's written in the article:

Stitch’s Great Escape at Disney’s Magic Kingdom forever closed its doors on Jan. 6. At least, that’s the consensus in the Twitterverse.

But Disney never issued an official statement about a closure, which led some to wonder whether it really was the end for Stitch.

On Tuesday, a Disney spokesperson told Spectrum News 13 that Stitch is still seasonal and that it would reopen. The spokesperson would not provide a specific date.

In other words, it's not closing yet. For now. –WPA (talk) 21:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I've modified the information in the article to reduce the excessive coverage being shown to Internet rumors. The News13 source is a reliable one, and it does establish that they can repurpose the area as a character greeting area when it's not in normal use. --McDoobAU93 13:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Is Stitch's great Escape closed for Good?

Is Stitch's Great Escape closed for good or is it still under seasonal operation? I want to know because Disney announced it going to seasonal operation (operating during peak times e.g: Christmas, Easter (Spring Break in America), Summer) in late 2016 and ran during christmas 2016, Easter 2017, summer 2017 and Christmas 2017, yet after it's Christmas 2017 operation it did never opened for Easter this year orhasn't (yet) opened for summer this year (I have never been to WDW because I live in England, but what has that got to do with Stitch's Great Escape). So how come the attraction is still in operation (according to this page) when it hasn't opened since Christmas. Pepper Gaming (talk) 00:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The attraction is not officially closed at this time. The ride's webpage on the official Walt Disney World website (which is linked in the article) is still online as of today (June 16, 2018 in America) and continues to mark the attraction as "temporarily closed". Besides that, Disney has not made any announcements regarding whether the ride is closed or if they're opening any new attractions that would take over the ride's space (and just to point this out to anyone else reading this, Wikipedia does not report on rumors or speculation). The last we've heard from Disney proper regarding this ride was back on January 9, 2018, when a Disney spokesperson told an Orlando news station—News 13—that the ride was not closed as many people made it out to be and that it would reopen (this fact is in one of the references in the article).

The reason why the infobox still marks the attraction as "Operating" is because there are only four different status types accepted for the status parameter amusement park attraction infoboxes: Operating, Closed, Under construction, and Removed. "Closed" is only for rides that have officially shut down and are not expected to reopen; it's not used for rides that are part of a seasonally-operating/not-year-round park (like, say, the Canobie Corkscrew at Canobie Lake Park in New Hampshire) or that currently operate its own seasonal schedule separate from the rest of the park (like SGE!). "Removed" is for rides that have physically ceased to exist; as far as we know, SGE! still exists behind closed doors. "Under construction", which is used for new rides being built or existing rides undergoing renovation, cannot be applied to SGE! because we're not sure if it is being renovated. So that means that "Operating" is the only valid value for the status parameter in this ride's infobox, even if it is technically invalid for the attraction at this time. I will point out that the "status" parameter does accept custom values, which adds a special maintenence category to the article, but it is discouraged from being used on such articles. So thus, it stays marked as "Operating". –WPA (talk) 02:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

@WikiPediaAid: I find it weird that this attraction hasn't opened since Christmas and Disney has never announced any opening dates for it, So if it's still under seasonal operation, why has Disney not opened it since then. If it is still under seasonal operation (I know I'm going by the times it opened last year) surely they would have opened it the same times as last year (Spring break and Summer). But who knows when it will open again? (I don't) but if it is to reopen again this year I would think they would open it sometime during July, if it doesn't open then I doubt it will be open at Christmas. Once again who actually knows if it will open again, though Disney hasn't really announced it will reopen it again later this year (the News 13 thing doesn't really count since they [Disney] could have changed their minds since then and not released anything on DPB) nor have they announced that it would be closing. I guess they could be waiting until Destination D to announce an attraction replacing it.

You may be able to tell I'm convinced it's closed due to Disney not announcing any further opening dates for SGE and that's why I'm thinking Disney will announce a replacement attraction for SGE at Destination D. If there's one thing you need to learn from this, it's that Disney don't like announcing futures for attractions. They've not even announced the future for the Main Street Electrical Parade yet, this includes an announcement as to whether it was going to be retired or not after it's 2017 run. That run for MSEP was never dubbed a 'farewell run' and i'm in the mind that MSEP is still going to return, I also think Disney will announce MSEP's future at Destination D. But anyway I would wait to see if SGE reopens later this summer or Disney announce it's official closure (by announcing a replacement attraction) at Destination D and as I said I doubt it would open at Christmas if it remains closed throughout the summer, but once again who knows (I apologise that this part may have got a bit repetitive). Though I am not sure how Disney would announce it [SGE] has closed for good other than by either announcing a replacement attraction or by announcing (on DPB) a set of dates where it will open again and then they say it's the last time SGE will open (I apologise if my reply starting to seem like a forum reply). But all I can say is we'll have to wait and see. –Pepper Gaming (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid that your certainty does not translate well to encyclopedia articles that are based on independent, reliable sources. The article, as currently written, is perfectly tailored for a "wait-and-see" position. --McDoobAU93 19:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: 1) What even do you mean by this 2) If the attraction is 'still under seasonal operation', why hasn't it opened since January this year (don't say it's still under seasonal operation because a Disney spokesperson said it was going to open again 3) Is there a specific period of time to regard a seasonal attraction as 'closed' if there's been no announcement since it last opened or (in this case) a theme park said it was going to remain under seasonal operation but never opened for a year. How long would it be ( 1 year, 2 years, 3 years ect) 4) I was not intending for my thing to translate to wikipedia talk (the attraction is not closed) but I was intending my reply and my initial post on this section was asking if it's closed in a non-Wikipedia point of view 5) the 'we'll wait and see' thing was meaning we'll wait and see if Disney announces a replacement attraction because i'm sure it won't open again (I'm not talking about wikipedia opinions but the rest of the internet opinions (like Twitter)) . Now i'm going to ask Disney about this too and i'll get back to you with what they say because this whole 'Is SGE closed' business is confusing me. Pepper Gaming (talk) 21:49, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Here we go again ...

Today's leak du jour is a set of pictures showing removed animatronics from the attraction. In the Wikipedia scheme of things, the next question would be "and ...?". All we know with these photos is that some figures have been removed. Are they being removed for refurbishment? Are they being removed so they can be replaced? Or, as the Internet loves to speculate, are they being removed to make way for a new attraction? Any of these are possible, but as noted, we would be speculating. Encyclopedias do not speculate. With no context, these pictures do not even need to be brought up. --McDoobAU93 12:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, as I've pointed out in the past Disney don't like announcing the future of their attractions another example is the Main Street Electrical Parade which when it was announced the date of it's ending of it's recent run left Disneyland with no word whether it would be retiring or not. Another example of attractions they don't like announcing their future to is this attraction, it closed in January two days later a spokesperson said it would be coming back, it never opened in March/April time, it never opened for the summer. Can Disney just get their act together and say why it's not opened this year. Has it gone down for refurbishment to be enhanced and be made a better attraction? Has it closed for good? And while I'm with everyone else believing it's closed, there's no official proof. (you may be thinking So what? by now but i'm here to prove a point) My point is can Disney do us all a favor and announce whether SGE is closed for good or if it's down for refurbishment everyone's minds can be at rest and there can be no more arguing whether it's still under seasonal operation or not and. I guess if they don't say anything about the future for SGE soon I guess it will be classed as operating until the decide to announce a replacement attraction. In a summery what i'm saying is that I don't get why Disney's closing attractions for long periods of time (in this case it could be permanent) and not giving any word on it's future (especially if it's under seasonal operation). Pepper Gaming (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you're right ... Disney WOULD be doing everyone a favor by telling everyone what it has in mind. So we can only go by what they last said, which is that the attraction will return and operate on an as-needed seasonal basis. In the meantime, please remember that this is a forum for discussing the article, not for discussing its subject. :) --McDoobAU93 15:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Possible Solution To Debate

Let’s have the ride’s status as “unknown” for now until we get a true confirmation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.180.75 (talk) 08:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

It's a great idea but at the same time it's not a great idea because:

1) Unknown is not an option for the rides status, the only options are: Operating, Closed and Standing But Not Operating (If any wikipedians (preferably an Extended Confirmed User) can tell me if there's any operation statues I've missed out that would be great).

2) While the attraction has been 'confirmed' to be closed by some fan sites and a few photos on Social Media, it's not official confirmation so it's classed as a rumor as it's not really official so we have to wait until Disney officially announces that the attraction has closed for good. This may come in the from of an announcement of a replacement attraction in the space that SGE used to occupy (this announcement could happen anywhere from a second from now to a year from now). So in short while the photos may have confirmed the closure and is a reasonable enough proof to everyone else on social media (which includes me) that the attraction has closed, we here on wikipedia can't go by that as Disney needs to confirm the official closure of the space but then again Disney could announce that the attraction will be reopening and that it's gone down for an extended refurbishment to make the attraction better so this is why the status needs to remain as 'operating'.

3) Wikipedia needs to be as accurate as possible so the status should remain as operating just in case Disney announces that the attraction will reopen after some refurbishment which enhances the ride experience.

Thanks a lot and I hope this helps.

Pepper Gaming (talk) 23:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Moot point, as the ride's status is known - Disney has stated the ride operates on a seasonal basis, which has not changed. Therefore, it should be listed as "operating". --McDoobAU93 17:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: thats what i put to this IP editor except yours is straight to the point. BTW I have one thing to ask about the warning next to the status, would it be ok if I add something along the lines of "don't add that the attraction is closed until we either get an announcement from Disney that confirms it's closure or they announce that a new attraction will be moving into the space of this attraction". The reason I want to add this is because I doubt the official ride Closure will be announced until Disney announce a new attraction going to occupy SGE's building (or at least thats the way things seem at the moment). Or is that technically saying that the ride is gone for good. Pepper Gaming (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pepper Gaming: and @McDoobAU93: I've rewritten the behind-the-scenes notice on the top of the page source to be more assertive than before. Admittedly, looking back at it, there were some writing flaws that allowed way too many editors to just easily disregard it and go straight to marking it "Closed" without proper verification. Sure, there will still be those out there who will disregard it anyway, but at least it would make it clearer on what we can and cannot accept on the article. If it's too assertive or if it needs further rewriting, please go ahead and change it. –WPA (talk) 00:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@WikiPediaAid: thanks alot for changing the warning.

Pepper Gaming (talk) 06:47, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I do like the broader warning, but it still seems a little like we are assuming bad faith on the part of editors. That said, it is explaining the consensus position, and I've seen similar in other contentious articles, so I'm not going to make any other changes to it. Thanks for the collaboration, and hopefully Disney will settle this in the very near future. --McDoobAU93 13:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

If the problem has to do with the infobox template, why not keep it how it is, and put a note on the page stating that the status is disputed, or simply put the last date that it was open seasonally (Jan 6, 2018). For a "seasonal" attraction, it hasn't been open for over a year. While not "officially" confirmed by Disney, I think at the very least, the disputed or under discussion tag could be added. Seems a bit misleading to people to tell them it's seasonal, and not disclosed that it hasn't operated in over an entire calendar year. GeekInParadise (talk) 09:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

But what if it opened for a single day, even for a few hours, and no editor saw it? If we're making assumptions about what's going on, we have to include that assumption as a possibility. The simplest solution is the one with the fewest assumptions, and it is the one we currently have—the attraction operates seasonally, full stop. That is not under dispute, as Disney itself has said that is its current status. It's not misleading because it is the truth. The belief that it hasn't been used since a certain date doesn't change that it is operating seasonally. --McDoobAU93 17:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, a year on - the ride whilst listed as 'Temporarily closed' on Disney's site is all but gone. Photos on twitter have shown the area gutted, and being used as a staff break room. It'd be pretty hard for it to open for a few hours when theres nothing left there to open. Really what we have here is a broken systeem where a simple "Open" or "Closed" does not work. At minimum the status should be listed as Operational with an asterisk leading to a note confirming that the ride is officialy in a state of seasonal operation, however has not operated for an extended period since its full-time operational closure in 2016. Then we should have a line linking to a reputable source showing the video clip and photos of the interior, in its current state, noting that this means its unlikely that the ride would operate seasonally without major refurbishment taking place first.

TL;DR the system we have for ride statues on wikipedia quite frankly sucks and is not fit for purpose. 2A02:C7F:9C82:7600:2CD6:1B30:92B0:8F2E (talk) 17:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How do you know the pictures and videos you are referring to are genuine? Disney is known for keeping the behind the scenes areas of their parks secret. I don't know if you watch Bright Sun Films but the guy who operates that channel once got into trouble for trying to see over the fence into the old River Country Grounds yet he was still in the approved area for guests. So I have a hard time believing that bloggers are able to get into the ride area; who knows this alleged break room photo could be from other parts of the park. Also, we need to consider if they really did tear the ride apart how do we know they aren't just refurbishing it. Disney has shut rides to do major work on them before without announcement before. All the official sources to this date state that the ride is temporarily closed which is what the article currently says so Wikipedia is fitting its purpose.--KDTW Flyer (talk 22:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Including potential rumor section showcasing some of the leaks?

I know that this does not confirm anything and that we should still keep the status as operating until Disney has said otherwise, but would it be wise to include some of those leaks showcasing the deformed animatronics and the queue space for the attraction getting removed as a hinter that the attraction could be on borrowed time? My reasoning for this is because on the page for Valleyfair's Excalibur coaster, there is a section including a document showcasing plans for the the coaster potentially getting removed (even though it has not yet happened). Plus we have evidence for the rumors so it's not completly bad faith. I have not made any changes and I won't do so until we can agree on if it's a smart move or not, I was just wondering if we should do something similar here. Thank you. Marth The Hero King (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Marth The Hero King

Encyclopedias are based on facts, not rumors. The rumor at Excalibur's article should be removed for the same reason, but I'm not working on that page and won't make any changes to it. --McDoobAU93 17:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, can I just ask what borrowed time is? Pepper Gaming (talk) 19:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Valid question which deserves an equally valid answer. I hope this helps! --McDoobAU93 19:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: thanks for the definition, and I have a question for you:

because of the legnth of time this attraction has remained closed while under seasonal operation i'm curious in wondering if there has been another attraction that has been under seasonal operation and been closed for over a year before the theme park that attraction is at has officially annonced that it's closed? Pepper Gaming (talk) 22:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Going further back than that were the Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes in Frontierland at Magic Kingdom and the Swan Boats that navigated the waterways around the hub of the MK. In all my years of visiting, I don't think I ever saw either open at any time, but they were listed on the guide maps as "seasonal". --McDoobAU93 11:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I completly agree with that. Thank you McDoob Marth The Hero King. Also, the Wonders of Life Pavillion at Epcot was put into seasonal operation for quite some time before it was replaced with a venue for the Food and Wine festivle in 2007. (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2019 (UTC)Marth The hero King

@Marth The Hero King: how long did Disney leave wonders of life closed but still under seasonal operation before they officially announced it as closed? Pepper Gaming (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure on this but I believe it was about a year or so which is about the length of which Stitch has been in "Seasonal Operation." It wasn't too long after the final day of the Pavillion (Which also was not announced by Disney) that the entire pavillion was converted for the food and wine festeval and that the attractions inside the pavillion never reopened and are sitting completly abandoned.

@Marth The Hero King: Am I getting this right? Disney closed wonders of life in 2007 but didn't announce its closure until 2008. Pepper Gaming (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pepper Gaming: Pretty much. It might have even been earlier than that. And it wasn't until now that they announced a TRUE replacement for it (that being the Play Pavillion). Marth The Hero King (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Marth The Hero King

@Marth The Hero King: this makes me wonder if SGE might not have a replacement announced until 10 years time, could be possible but also it's also a longer time that we assume the ride is still open. We could get to that point where it's, 2028 SGE hasn't opened for 10 years and we're still assuming (based on what we know already) that the ride is open. Even though that's probably unlikely, it could still happen so believe what you like. Pepper Gaming (talk) 16:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pepper Gaming: I would not be surprised at all if this was the case. Right now Disney has alot on their plates such as having to deal with Tron at Magic Kingdom, Runaway Railway and Galaxy's Edge at Hollywood Studios, and Guardians of the Galaxy and the new show replacing Illiumination at Epcot. And that's just for Disney World! At this point, all we can do is wait and speculate until Disney announces what their next move will be. A 10 year gap without anything in that building seems strange, but I wouldn't be suprised if that was the case. So unfortunatly, this article might have an operating status for a deceased ride for the next decade or so. Marth The Hero King (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Marth The Hero King

@Marth The Hero King:, I guess but only time will tell as it could be longer or shorter than the time length i made up in my scenario, i think once an attraction has been closed for a certain length of time (e.g: 10 years) then i guess it won't open ever again but I guess the sensible thing to do is just leave the operating status alone until either Disney announce a replacement or 10 years have passed without it reopening. Even though it may already be closed permanently as we don't really have enough evidence to prove it's actually closed. Pepper Gaming (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

The thing to remember is this - Disney makes announcements when Disney is ready to make them. I'm certain they are working on something that will ultimately replace SGE, and they will reveal it when they are ready to do so. --McDoobAU93 21:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: my suggestion was a possible scenario, we'll all have to keep our eyes on D23 this year as if Disney are working on a replacement for SGE! they'll most likely announce it there, if nothing gets announced then who knows when a replacement might get announced? Could be in October, December, 10 years time or even 20 years time (although the last ones probably unlikely, 10 years time, I probably think that't more possible and more likely) but as I said until Disney announce something about SGE's replacement or 10 years have passed (which ever comes first) I think the operating status should remain as open, even though it may even be already closed permanently. BTW, the reason why I chose 10 years probably when it gets to 10 years people will know for definite that the ride's closed for good by the point (but that [getting to 10 years since SGE last opened] is probably unlikely) . Pepper Gaming (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2019

Amusmentmadness121 (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Stitch's Great Escape has closed forever but it still says it is operating

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 02:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Amusmentmadness121: We have on Wikipedia been arguing about this for the past year and even though it may be closed permanently, we don't have enough information to prove it's actually closed. I'm also not surprised if it remained closed for the next 10 years before Disney actually announce a future for stitch's great escape Which was discussed in a seperate section on this page by myself, McDoobAU93 and Marth The Hero King. so the best thing to do is keep the operating status as 'open' until Disney announces that it won't reopen again as it might (even though its unlikely) reopen for one day without any of us on wikipedia noticing, this is and example of where we don't have enough proof to change the status to 'closed'. Another example of an attraction that was closed for an extebded period of time was the wonders of life pavillion, the pavillion officially closed on January 1st 2007 but when it closed, Disney didn't announce the attraction as 'closed' straight away, they (Disney) infact announced the pavilion as 'closed' permanently a few months after it closed. Pepper Gaming (talk) 08:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2019

24.105.203.209 (talk) 01:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

its been closed

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 01:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Request change to attraction Status

Via Disney's own website the attraction is listed as Temporarily Closed, therefore, I feel the wikipedia section should reflect this by changing the status from operating to at least Temporarily closed until Disney makes an announcement stating it's closed to fulfill the source requirement. Engelsterben (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. firstly, sorry for the late reply.

Secondly, I like your thinking bt I don't think it matches the consensus for the page which is to assume that the ride is open until Disney officially announces that the ride is closed for good which I personally disagree with since the ride hasn't opened for over a year and a half. Even though I personally believe its closed for good the best thing is to keep the attractions operating status as operating until Disney announces a replacement for SGE (I doubt they would announce the closure a year and a half after it closed without announcing a replacement at this stage). So for the time being the best option (and the only option) is to keep the status for this attraction as operating for the time being (even though it likely is a deceased/retired ride by now) So best hopes that Disney brings something up about its status at D23 or else we could have deceased ride still classed as operating for an indefinite of time . Pepper Gaming (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

So even though Disney's own website for the attraction has it listed as Temporarily closed(as shown in the link I provided in the first post), it should still be listed as operating? If the editors don't want to list it as "Closed", I don't see a problem with it being listed as Temporarily Closed when Disney themselves says that is what it is. If a wiki page for an attraction can be listed as Under Construction when long-term refurbs are ongoing, I don't see how a move to make this attraction listed as Temporarily Closed can't also be achieved. Engelsterben (talk) 21:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand the reasoning either, all I know is that the other editors agreed on the consensus that a reliable source must be needed for an attraction to be listed as closed so as far as other editors are concerned an attraction that is seasonal must have it's status kept as operating, the same I think goes for attractions under refurbishment such as the Hall of Presidents albeit with that attraction we do actually know that it will eventually return. As far as I'm concerned, I believe that SGE is closed for good since it's not operated for a year and a half (and many members of forums such as DISboards and WDWmagic Forums agree with this consensus) but sadly a reliable source from Disney themselves is needed to prove that the ride is officially closed. So this leaves the only option to keep this deceased attraction's status as operating until Disney officially announces a replacement. I've only explained the basics of this consensus but maybe WikiPediaAid or McDoobAU93 can explain this in further detail for you. Regards Pepper Gaming (talk) 00:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Consensus is what editors agree upon, and it's a cornerstone of Wikipedia and how it works. In the case of theme park attractions, we tend to be very cautious because of the sheer amount of questionable information out there from fan-sites, bloggers, etc. Theme park fans thrive on rumors and speculation (what is Park X getting next year, why is the attraction at Park Y closed, etc.), while theme park operators tend to be incredibly and intentionally vague about their plans, so they do not trap themselves later on or tip off competitors to their future developments. Those are some of the reasons we are looking for definitive statements as to the status of attractions. There is lots of speculation about Stitch's future, speculation that most likely is indeed correct (Stitch is closed and awaiting future development). However, encyclopedias are not written based on speculation. The next most-likely reveal of information on the future of Stitch will be the Disney Parks presentation at next month's D23 Expo on Sunday, 25 August. --McDoobAU93 13:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

McDoobAU93 thanks for that more in depth explanation on how consensus'. Pepper Gaming (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: I have a question for you, when Disney announces the official closure of Stitch's Great Escape, are we using the date it last operated as the closing date (which at the moment is January 6th 2018) or are we using the date that Disney announces that its closed as the closing date? Pepper Gaming (talk) 10:10, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The date Disney announces that the attraction is not re-opening again is the date that should be used as its closing date. Up until that point, it was operating in seasonal mode and simply wasn't called upon. --McDoobAU93 12:05, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, In a way, I disagree with that but if SGE doesn't reopen before it is officially announced closed by Disney, could the 2018 closing date have a mention in the article if we are basing it on Disney announcing the closure of SGE. Pepper Gaming (talk) 14:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The problem is the source for the 2018 date is not reliable. It's a fan-site, and those don't meet the reliable sources test. --McDoobAU93 14:40, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The other problem is that there is no sourced dates of the attraction opening since that day so I think it should at least be mentioned should Disney announce it's permanent closure without re-opening it. So I disagree. Pepper Gaming (talk) 17:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Such a date is not required, since Disney stated that the attraction is operating on a seasonal basis. The only date needed is the date when the attraction is officially deemed closed by Disney, and the most likely date for that will be the date when Disney announces the future plans for that show building. --McDoobAU93 18:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Wonders of life's listed closing date is 1st of January 2007, but it the closure didn't get announced until later in the same year so I don't see why this should be any different. My definition of a closing date is when the ride last operated and not the date that a theme park officially states its closed so I still disagree unless Disney reopens it. I still think that unless Disney reopens SGE, the January 2018 daye should still be mentioned. Pepper Gaming (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

That date at Wonders of Life is flagged as "citation needed". The citation that matches its last "known" operating schedule is a fan-made YouTube video, which also is not deemed reliable. If a reliable source appears that states Stitch is being replaced and it states that the last operating date was the 2018 date, then it can be added. Again, if there is no reliable source, it can be challenged and removed at any time. --McDoobAU93 19:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I get it but I think the best thing to do is to not talk about it until Disney announces its closure. Pepper Gaming (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)