Talk:Stranger Things/Archive 3

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@Bold Clone: You may start a discussion here. Your recent WP:BOLD edit has been reverted. Per WP:BRD, after a bold edit is reverted, the WP:STATUSQUO should remain while a discussion is started instead of edit-warring per WP:EW, and it should be resolved before reinstating the edit, after a needed WP:CONSENSUS is formed to keep it. -- /Alex/₂₁ 14:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Bold Clone is right on checking. The first scenes of the first ep of S2 are states as Pittsburg, but likely its easy to forget these as we have the entire episode later that takes place in Chicago. Clear on immediate watching, but details that blurb this far out from it. --Masem (t) 14:43, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Masem. I appreciate it. --Bold Clone 15:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I recommend including a reliable source, per WP:RS and WP:V, to support this and to prevent and further disputes. However, none of the edits that lead to this are listed under WP:3RRNO, after WP:3RR was violated. -- /Alex/₂₁ 15:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Like I said earlier, not my problem. I try to correct a fact, and all you can think to do is bludgeon me into submission with bureaucratic procedures. Typical of you, Alex, but I was expecting more from Wikipedia. Now regarding a source, would an episode recap work, or would we need a behind-the-scenes source? --Bold Clone 15:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It remains that you still violated WP:3RR; "Correct a fact" is not under WP:3RRNO. And "typical"? I don't believe we've interacted before. What do you mean? And a behind-the-scenes source would be the most beneficial. -- /Alex/₂₁ 15:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Like I said, not my problem. If you're going to throw hissy fits about me correcting facts, then that's your problem. --Bold Clone 15:45, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Official Splitting Proposal

@Favre1fan93, Alex 21, Masem, Joeyconnick, Brojam, and Lordtobi: Hello all. This is the official discussion to initiate the splitting of Stranger Things, specifically off-shooting season-specific content into their own respective articles. These articles already exist into the draftspace as Draft: Stranger Things (season 1), Draft: Stranger Things (season 2), and Draft: Stranger Things (season 3). The show, now entering season three, has generated enough content to warrant the season-specific splitting of this article. Thank you for your consideration in the matter, and please make sure you voice your opinion below. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: With the efforts to reorganize the main page alongside the discussion here, would you say a consensus has been reached? SomethingToTellYou (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support I'd support splitting. I think SomethingToTellYou has done a good job starting the drafts, and they can only be improved, with more info split from here not in the drafts, and obviously new content. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support: Tried to do this awhile ago. The split needs to happen. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Question Has a version of this article been prepared such that season-specific content will be removed if and once the articles are split? The primary reason for splitting is to move content from the parent article to the child article once the parent article becomes too long; there is no point splitting and then not updating this article accordingly. A post-split version of this article should be prepared. -- /Alex/₂₁ 02:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  I have the same concern as Alex. I quickly looked at the drafts and seems like especially for the season 1 and 2 drafts, everything is copied verbatim from the main article, which would leave the main article almost completely empty. Until a proper post-split version of this article is prepared with proper distribution of content between the main article and the season articles, I can't support a split. Better to have three drafts and the post-split version properly done than rushing a split. - Brojam (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  A valid concern, certainly. How do you propose going about fashioning a post-split version? Creating a draft split page as well? SomethingToTellYou (talk) 13:32, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  Certainly something you could create as a user-space draft. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  Here it is. If anyone wants to edit along with me, please do. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 15:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  Has any further progress been made on this? -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:37, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

  Yes, there has been some progress. You should also check out the season drafts. I've added a whole bunch to both season two and season three, and I believe it's time the split occur. A consensus has been reached, and the pages are now ready. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 13:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

  Yes, but that's not what this question, comments and agreement was based on. Yes, the season articles may be ready, but we asked you how you plan to update this article after the season articles are moved to the mainspace. You only made edits to User:SomethingToTellYou/sandbox/Stranger Things Split once I asked you here; the last edits were made by me two weeks ago. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

  @Alex 21:I believe everything that can be done to the main article has been. The beginning of the series perspective does frame the article, but some very light summaries of casting and filming for the second and third seasons have been left in. I feel like this information is important for those who are just skimming. Do you have any more suggetions? I'll work on them today when I can to try to get the article prepared for tonight. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

  @Alex 21:, editing is done on the articles. I ask of you to please move them to the mainspace now. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not sure why it's up to me to move them? -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

  I think he's just double-checking to make sure it's OK before an attempted move. Is there an admin we need to ask for moving, or do we just need to "be bold" and move the pages? I think that even if they aren't perfect, the draft pages are pretty good. --Bold Clone 00:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

  I was asked to move them. Yes, administration involvement would be required, as Stranger Things (season 1) is currently administrator-protected until 21 June 2019. -- /Alex/₂₁ 00:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

  Hm, ok. So do you think the drafts are ready yet, or do they still need expansion? --Bold Clone 00:43, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

  I've gone ahead and moved the season 2 and 3 drafts to mainspace. The drafts might not be 100% perfect but I think we can continue polishing them in the mainspace. As Alex has mentioned, we will need an admin to move the season 1 draft. - Brojam (talk) 00:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

  Alright, the split has been completed. - Brojam (talk) 02:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

• I'm not wholly against splitting, but I do think that everything prior to production/filming of season 1 should be left in the main series article - most of that is all towards the central theme of the show which I would (as a reader) would want to read on an overview of the series. I know this might thin out S1, but we have plenty of reception to include to balance that out as to keep it a notable article. --Masem (t) 16:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  This is kind of an area of indecision for me. I feel like everything preluding season one should be left in the main article, but that means the information in season one's article will have no real context. SomethingToTellYou (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  There might be some necessary duplication of material for flow. For example, on the series page I'd want to know about the conception of the show, how they wrote for it, and their casting choices. On the season page, recognizing that the series page has those details, I'd want to know about when they did their writing, final casting selections, filming and production, the "when and where" questions. --Masem (t) 17:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I'd agree with this. However, it would need to be rewritten in a "series" perspective, rather than a "first season" perspective. And only details for the beginning of the series, not all of the first season. -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support per the comments mentioned above. Also the article is too long. Harut111 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support assuming more info on the season is added per page. SleepForever   talk 15:52, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Sounds like a good idea. NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 22:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
• Support', provided the season pages get filled out with more info. --Bold Clone 20:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

so did we just give up on this? SleepForever (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@SleepForever: You're a bit late, bud. The articles were split ages ago. Do take a look at the article. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Add "(2019)" in season 3 section

Based on common sense and WP:IAR, I think the rule in WP:TVUPCOMING should have an exception for this show and similar show where the episodes within a season is released in the same day. Hddty. (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

No. The season has not yet been released, and no valid argument has been given to invoke IAR and ignore the guideline used in thousands of articles. Add the year once all of those episodes have been released in the same day. -- /Alex/₂₁ 03:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

My argument is that we already put the release dates under "Original release date" in the table. Notice that WP:TVUPCOMING only mentioned shows that released weekly on TV. I made an RfC about this here. Hddty. (talk) 04:48, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

You went straight to RfC and weren't even open to an actual discussion? Very disappointing. -- /Alex/₂₁ 05:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing and structure

The 1st source should be removed due to its reference of a blog post created on a news site; that article may have correct information but it is not a reliable source. Also the first section of the article appears disorganized, but I see there has already been thorough discussion over splitting it. Each bit of information in the first section detailing each season should be removed and inserted in the Premise section by the appropriate season being described. C.lasia (talk) 19:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC) C.lasia

Blogs by employed members of a reliable source made for purposes of that reliable source is a reliable source, and not discredited because its labelled a "blog". --Masem (t) 19:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Titled vs. Entitled

Whoever is updating this page, please look up the terms "titled" and "entitled." They have very different meanings. You are using "entitled" wrong when you say a book or episode is entitled. The term you're looking for is "titled." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.74.7 (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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Episodes

Why is it that shows produced by Netflix can't have episodes published as articles, as long as they are solid enough, they should be a thing. The Optimistic One (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One: As long as it's solid enough I don't think there's any problem with it. It needs to have enough sourced content to warrant its own article and not duplicating large portion of content already found in the parent or season articles. TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Season titles?

Should the titles for the season articles and sub-headings be changed to Stranger Things 2, Stranger Things 3, etc.; or should they remain as is (e.g. Stranger Things (season 2))? I would propose they be changed (with the exception of season 1), as this is the way the titles appear not just in the show itself, but in all official press and the Netflix interface. A similar example would be the series pages for Blackadder. The lede of each article would be something along the lines of "Stranger Things 3 is the third season of the American science fiction-horror web television series Stranger Things, released on Netflix's web streaming service on July 4, 2019". Considering that this is how the seasons are always officially referred to, this would be the most accurate way of titling each page. Jimmio78 (talk) 13:24, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you, it would be very good if you did that Vancouver gal (talk) 06:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

7.2 spelling error

The name of the illustrator of the tie in comic books is Stefano Martino not Stefani Martino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhonopolis22 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Recurring roles

Joe Kerry and Noah schnapp are still listed as recurring characters despite them being frequent in seasons 2 and 3, I suggest that we change it because it's misleading to the story. Vancouver gal (talk) 06:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Vancouver gal: Can you tell me what you mean by they are still listed as recurring characters? "seasons 2–present; recurring season 1" means that they were a recurring character in the first season and have been main characters from the second season up to the present if that is what you are referring to. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh I must have misread that, sorry Vancouver gal (talk) 05:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Vancouver gal: No worries, had there been an issue it would've needed to be fixed. Better to be safe than sorry TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Yep thank you for your time Vancouver gal (talk) 05:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Vancouver gal: As a side note I feel the need to mention that the characters listed in the cast and characters section are only for those that have received main billing in the series or in other words those listed in the opening title sequence. So Gabriella Pizzolo or Alec Utgoff should not be included. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't know whenever I go onto a Wikipedia page of a movie or tv show I always want to know who that actor was and also Alec Utgoff has a Wikipedia page so I feel like we need to include him at least Vancouver gal (talk) 05:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Vancouver gal: Any notable actor who has appeared in this series likely has a Wikipedia page; however, if we include them all the list would become outrageously long. Any information about a non-main credited cast member either belongs on List of Stranger Things characters or the season article (in this case Stranger Things (season 3)). TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much that is a good idea and I will keep it in mind however because Alexei is a huge character right now I feel like it he should stay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vancouver gal (talk • contribs) 06:20, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@thedoctorwho thank you for the suggestion I shall keep it in mind but for now I feel like alexei has to be in there because he's such a huge character for the fans right now Vancouver gal (talk) 06:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter whether or not they're a fan favourite character, only characters that are, or have been, listed in the title sequence are listed in the characters section. Otherwise the cast list would be miles long. QueerFilmNerd^talk 07:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2019

Category:Aftershows needs to be removed as not an after show. 100n4 (talk) 08:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Someone else already did it, but I believe it was categorized as aftershow because of Beyond Stranger Things which redirects here to the section on that. WikiVirusC^(talk) 17:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2019

change Grzergorz Domaradzki to Grzegorz Domaradzki (without 2nd R in Grzergorz)

(Grzegorz is polish name of english Gregory and its not GrzeRgorz) Ryszard.babinski (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Alduin2000 (talk) 01:47, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2019

stranger things is cool Bigboy19189 (talk)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020

Max's name was shown as Maxine "Max" Mayfield so I think that you should change Will's too William "Will" Byers 2601:1C0:6902:71F0:69BC:4465:1D71:237D (talk) 00:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Per MOS:TVCAST, we go by there common name. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

the description of will byres should be better. he is a main character and only gets two lines about him, plus all the stuff about him is in season 1. it should be something like ;

Noah Schnapp as will byres ; will byres is the son of Joyce byres and younger brother of Jonathan byres. in season one he gets taken by the monster while his friends try find him. season two is mainly about will and his now memories from the upside down. in season three while his friends are sparking romance he seems to think that he will never fall in love.

the description for max mayfield should be better too. she is also a min character and should have more written about her. something like this ;

Sadie Sink as maxine [max] mayfield. max is a tomboy kind of girl and step sister to older step brother billy. max first makes an appearance in the first episode of season two titled ; MADMAX. dustin and Lucas both seem to like her. in the end she becomes closer to Lucas as they share a kiss in the last episode of season two. they are dating in season three. Heyhey142 (talk) 10:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Firstly, I find it odd that Will isn't featured in Cast and characters here, considering his importance to the story, however, both Will and Max are given more focus in this article about the show's characters, which goes into more depth. The edit you have requested, as written, would not meet Wikipedia's style guidelines (but if I'm reading into this correctly that's meant to be more of a suggestion of what you would like to see, just an FYI: these edit requests are usually more successful when the requestor submits text that can be directly inserted into the article). Hopefully the content already in List of Stranger Things characters satisfies your request, however! A S U K I T E   15:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Science Fiction

How does Stranger Things qualify as science fiction? ♆ CUSH ♆ 20:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Seriously now. How does Stranger Things get to be categorized as science fiction? It is not based on any extrapolation of science. The upside-down world is more religious in nature than sciency. Stranger Things is more like Harry Potter or some Zombie/Vampire tv show. Can someone please defend the science fiction category? ♆ CUSH ♆ 19:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Episodes

There are 9 episodes in season 4. It currently says 8. Can someone change it. MonkeyBusiness2468 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021

I want to add the name of 'Levon Therman Hawke' to the Cast Starring List as he is a part of the Season 4 of the Show According to Reliable Sources. The Official Account of Stranger Things has itself Confirmed this on Twitter. Prabhat 2508 (talk) 07:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
SSSB (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Episode articles

Currently the series don't have episodes articles because a I see, many users decided that the series won't have any. Look I know there is an existing consensus that there should be no individual articles for episodes, that was agreed in 2016. But this concensuous was 5 years ago. Look I know that at the moment there it wasn't enough coverage for the episodes but I would like to give the series another shot to have it's own episodes articles. As Netflix do not release it's episodes weekly it will be hard, but I think that now we can find enough coverage to create, but of course I won't proceed until we have reached a consensus and prevent an edit war. Ulises1126 (talk) 17:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Generally, we want to see coverage on a per episode basis that includes development specific to the episode and reception before we have a standalone article. You might find a few cases of per-episode reception, but the development per-episode will be rather hard. --Masem (t) 17:49, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2022

The name Eduardo Franco in the sidebar "Starring" list should point to Eduardo_Franco_(actor). 130.44.135.128 (talk) 12:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Can I be on the cast Stranger Things

Can I be on the cast for season for stranger things — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.102.12 (talk) 22:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

nopeBold@ 124.170.168.219 (talk) 12:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

season descriptions

the season 4 hyperlink should have its release year (2022) "Season 4" just like every previous season — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamjoints (talk • contribs) 15:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Once the first episodes are actually available, we will leave it blank since there could be a last minute change.--Masem (t) 15:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

It is unclear how there would be a last minute change given the time between now and Vol 1 release and the certainty of release timelines (given that the Duffers/netflix do not divulge information to the public until it's certain). By that same logic, a release date should not be listed beside any of the episodes on the main page or the season 4 page. Hamjoints (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Full release dates for each season 4 episode

Currently, only episode 1 has its full release date down (May 27, 2022). We know from multiple sources that at least episodes 1-4 will release on that date. We also know that episodes 6-9 will release on July 1, 2022. Only episode 5 is not confirmed as of yet. I propose that we add the full dates for every episode as soon as possible (except episode 5). Pissyboy Mercutio (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:TV standards, because we do not have reasonable assurances where the split will be, we can wait for the May 27 date to see exactly how it will be provided on Netflix and then go from there. --Masem (t) 12:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Just slightly more specific, your statement would be in violation of WP:SYNTH because no source explicitly states these release dates. Although it's highly unlikely, Netflix could technically do a release of three episodes in May and six in July, or visa versa. Unless a source explicitly gives a number before then, we'll have to wait until May 27, as Masem said. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

This comment aged well, I thought six and three was unlikely and Netflix really said seven and two . Anyways, even though it's already been added to the article we have official confirmation now. TheDoctorWho (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2022

It says the fifth season will be released February 2022, but it will actually be released February 2023. 186.4.50.173 (talk) 02:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: No, it doesn't. It just says In February 2022, the series was renewed for a fifth and final season. You need to provide a reliable source to include when it is scheduled to be released. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:08, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Individual episode articles

I aknowledege that Netflix series do not have their own episode articles but I feel that maybe we need to try to give the show it's own article episodes. Stranger Things it's a very popular show and worthy of have episode articles. If you allow me, I will make deep investigations to get the sources for the production parts, wherever it takes. Please let's improve the article for the premiere episode and give the show the articles that it deserve. Ulises1126 (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I say go for it if you want. MarvelMovieFan (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

The issue is that production information (usually what we want to make sure episode articles have) doesn't cover specific episodes but the season in general. Lacking this, the individual episodes are not really notable on their own, just the individual seasons. --Masem (t) 16:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Ensemble Cast

Why are Priah Ferguson, Brett Gelman, Paul Reiser and Matthew Modine not included on this list. They are all a part of the ensemble cast and have all been a main character for at least two seasons (excluding Gelman) Louisrussian (talk) 18:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Season 5

I created a draft for Stranger Things (season 5), the final season of the series. Any help in keeping it updated would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 04:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2022

The orderly's name is Peter Ballard, not Peter Brenner.

Jamie Campbell Bower as Peter Brenner / Henry Creel / One / Vecna

should be

Jamie Campbell Bower as Peter Ballard / Henry Creel / One / Vecna Valendir (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Season 4 split release in lede

@Masem do you even know what is good faith edits?. I made the article understandable for readers who don't know that it was split into two. You can't mention 3 seasons then mention 4 time frame without citing why or giving a brief explantation. Uricdivine (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

For the purposes of the overall show page, that S4 was split in two is not a fundamental aspect to focus on in the lede, its just too much detail. You can say S4 started in May 2022, which is all that an overview of the series needs Masem (t) 13:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the mention of both months is needed. I liked the way it was previously worded, for a short time, when it said the date each season initial premiered, which I believe is more than enough for the lede. To be honest, "with the second, third, and fourth seasons following in 2017, 2019, and 2022, respectively." also works. WikiVirusC^(talk) 13:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Video Games - Far Cry DLC

Someone needs to add the Far Cry 6 "The Vanishing" DLC - . This relates to research at a Soviet military station about the Upside-Down. - 58.179.183.147 (talk) 11:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Season 4 reception

Metacritic seems to have created a "season 4.5" for scoring reviews for Volume 2. How should this be incorporated into the reception section, particularly the table (which isn't well-suited for two sets of reviews)? RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

With no responses here, I've added the new score; feel free to tweak the formatting. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Cast and characters edit

Joseph Quinn, known in the show as Eddie Munson is not in the Cast and characters section of this article, please put him in there. CleanDinosaur28 (talk) 02:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

The case on this series page is only for main cast members, not season-only or guest ones. Those details are given on the season page. --Masem (t) 19:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Removal of info related to post release "editing"

@Uricdivine: why are you removing sourced info from RSes about the post-relwase facet of ST that has come up recently, in that there were accusations that the older seasons were being edited in light of the ongoing updates to S4? There are no typos, and the wording is all fine, though I know it could use a copyedit to improve, but that is not a reason to remove. Masem (t) 21:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Masem, I only reverted your edits because the appeared unconstructive. I can't understand the whole paragraph and am sure other editors or readers won't because I don't know if your talking about a birthday that was missed or re-editing previous seasons releases. There are also grammatical errors there. Uricdivine (talk) 21:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Example this line "^{Shortly after the fourth season's release, viewers reported that the show had created an apparent contradiction in that Will's friends had completely missed his birthday that had been dated in an earlier season. The Duffers had said in an interview that they could rectify the matter by changing the month of the date; as the fourth season was initially released to make its release date but was reported to not yet be perfected in the special effects area, the production team took the opportunity to fix some of these issues within the fourth season as the effects were completed.}" you started from a bad grammar then it gets very confusing when you start saying "The Duffers had said in an interview that they could rectify the matter by changing the month of the date; as the fourth season was initially released to make its release date but was reported to not yet be perfected in the special effects area, the production team took the opportunity to fix some of these issues within the fourth season as the effects were completed" like how are this two things intertwined?.Uricdivine (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Thats what the next sentence gets to. That some fans that read that the fourth season was being updated took the earlier statement from the Duffers that they were also editing pre S3 episodes. There is a narrative logic you have to work through to understand why the team has been clear there hasn't been any changes pre S4. Writing of this can be improved but those are all key details that are well sourced. You don't remove content only due to poor writing quality since that can be fixed. Masem (t) 22:19, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

(uninvolved) Seems grammatically correct to me. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 02:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Masem I can't keep saying that the edit is not constructive and understandable so am going to seek Third opinion or dispute resolution.Uricdivine (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

If they are well sourced claims, then keep them after re-wording them. I agree that a portion of the included text is incomprehensible and confusing. However, it's usually better to edit rather than to delete. Wikipedia works by iterative improvements. BooleanQuackery (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

This leaked over to the Teahouse, so I will try and see if I can help in any way. Masem had summarised it as such:

• Recent stories have had production saying there has been no post-release editing of episodes of Stranger Things Seasons 1-3.
• However, to explain why this statement was necessary, it is essential to point out
  • That fans found a possible error in a Season 4 episode
  • That the Duffers said that they could fix that error by "George Lucas-ing" episodes
  • Separately, it was known production was still making changes in the SFX for Season 4 after its initial release
  • The prior two statements were mistaken taken by some to assume that they were also changing past episodes (Seasons 1-3), including claims that a creepy scene was altered to be less creeping
• That sequences of events led to production stating that they were not changing episodes.
  — User:Masem

The paragraph is comprehensible to me, but here's my proposed (preliminary) paragraph rewrite (wikilinks and references removed):

Shortly after the fourth season's release, viewers reported that the show had created an apparent contradiction in that : Will's friends had completely missed his birthday that , which had been dated in an earlier season. The Duffers had said in an interview that they could rectify the matter by changing the month of the date; as the fourth season was initially released to make its release date but was reported to not yet be perfected in the special effects area have imperfect special effects, the production team took the opportunity to fix some of these issues within the fourth season as the effects were completed them. The Duffers had suggested that their approach was "George Lucas-ing the situation", in reference to the canon changes that George Lucas had made to the original Star Wars trilogy to match what the prequel trilogy had added. Some viewers took this to imply that scenes from earlier seasons were also being edited, including some that claimed that a scene one where Jonathan was taking takes discrete discreet pictures of a pool party that Steve, Nancy, and Barbara had held are holding, had been altered to remove the creepiness of Jonathan's actions. The writers for the series denied that there had been any modifications had been made to earlier seasons, including this scene.

[S]ome of these issues should be clarified: do they refer to special effects or other continuity errors? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

The only thing confirmed changed with S4 were SFX. We have no confirmation if anything else was changed in S4 yet. Masem (t) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I've edited my proposal to reflect that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

And that's fine with me, as I said, I know it needed a copy edit. Masem (t) 01:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Any thoughts, Uricdivine, BooleanQuackery? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely more comprehensible than before. BooleanQuackery (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I agree is now comprehensible and is fine with me. Although it needs just a tiny little changes. Regardless it can be included into the article now Uricdivine (talk) 14:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I do have a question. In the beginning it says that Will's friends has completely missed his birthday which had been dated in an earlier season then it goes on to say that the duffer brothers In an interview said that they would rectify this matter by changing the month of the date( this part month of the date is very confusing) . Then it goes into saying that the would fix the visual effects my question is how does fixing visual effects help to rectify the matter about them fixing Wills birthday?? Uricdivine (talk)

We have no idea if they did, but it is the logical narrative that when questioned about the error in Will's birthday, the Duffers said they could change this, which led to some taking it that they were making other changes in older episodes. We have no idea if they addressed the error in the date. --Masem (t) 14:59, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

The way I understand it, the date change was something that could be worked on while finishing up the special effects for the season. Birthday has been made clear in the previous sentence, so referring to it as it should be sufficient. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Alright, think that's everything on my part. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

There are still problems per my POV. Example here ^{Shortly after the fourth season's release, viewers reported that the show had created an apparent contradiction: Will's friends had completely missed his birthday, which had been dated in an earlier season} lets change the "show" because is as if referring to the whole stranger things movies (not really important tho). Here ^{they could rectify the matter by changing its month; as the fourth season was initially released to make its release date} this particular line is confusing "as the fourth season was initially released to make its release date". ^{including one where Jonathan takes discreet pictures of a pool party that Steve, Nancy, and Barbara are holding, to remove the creepiness of Jonathan's actions.} the last words "to remove the creepiness of Jonathan's actions" doest fall well In the sentence maybe the sentence should be reworded. Like I said my own POV maybe am mistaken but it is what I think are the problems. Cheers Uricdivine (talk) 21:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

It is an error of the entire show as the birthday was first referred to in the first season (these are not movies), and the sources specifically say that people thought that the first season scenes were changed to make them less creepy, so that wording needs to stay. Its very straight forward. Masem (t) 21:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay I understand. For the last sentence I didn't say it should be removed completely I meant reworded because "Some viewers took this to imply that scenes from earlier seasons were also being edited, including one where Jonathan takes discreet pictures of a pool party that Steve, Nancy, and Barbara are holding, to remove the creepiness of Jonathan's actions." The grammar needs to be reworded to be understandable. Uricdivine (talk) 22:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

What about it are you having trouble understanding? I changed the tense in that sentence so that it complies with WP:FICTENSE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)