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It has come to my attention that, given the amazing amount of speculation here, I should just go ahead and give out a forum for those people who want to speculate.

[1] (Look under "Super Smash Bros. Brawl")

If this already has been discussed, sue me. I'll plead guilty.

-Joseph Staleknight, Wiki Novice —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.179.109.201 (talk) 01:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Do we really want to flood SmashBoards with speculators, Joseph?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 17:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely, because SmashBoards welcomes speculators in its specific thread categories like "Brawl Character Discussion". I should know because I'm logged into there. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 19:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that certainly puts it differently! So, should this message be a template at the top of this page?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 19:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Dunno, I know I suggested that sometime in the distant past, but HighwayCello thought not to do that because that probably wouldn't work. I do suggest changing the appearance of the template containing the link to the FAQ page, however, because right now it's easy to skip over and there's a lot of questions posted on here that have been posted many times beforehand and would be answered by looking at the FAQ. Change the color of the box, the thickness of the borders, the layout and boldness of the text... any of these will work to make the FAQ more noticeable. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 19:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I started work on the template as soon as I saw the message, but Erik beat me to it. Still, I think this final product with concepts from both our templates looks more eye-catching. I would have increased the size of the "HALT!", but I don't know how to do that. --LuigiManiac 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, all you need is a handy <big> tag. I'll leave the word-enlarging to your personal tastes.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 22:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I added more messages. 'Tis funny and more eye catching. --80.6.146.72 19:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I liked the additions, except disembark. Remember, we're not a boat. Wait, that didn't sound right... --LuigiManiac 13:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I got kiked of that site 3 times aladery.Anubiz 00:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, Anubiz, I'm sure there's plenty of other forum sites like SmashBoards.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added the big tag to the "HALT!". It looks even more eye-catching now, in my opinion. --LuigiManiac 00:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks a lot better, thanks, It was hard to notice that before. Minirogue 01:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Developer

Why cant we put down nintendo as the developer? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.64.65.29 (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Because they're not? -Sukecchi 16:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The developer is not Nintendo, it's...well, somebody else. It's unknown if HAL Labs is working on it, or Sora. All we know is that Sakurai is the developer.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 17:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystalball.Anubiz 20:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sakurai left HAL Labs and founded a company named Sora. So, apparently, Sora is developing the game, with help from Nintendo, as Nintendo requested Sakurai to make Brawl. Just go to www.smashbros.com and look at the history of Brawl. --I Am Magnus^talk 18:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Brawl Moves

It is official that the powerful moves in SSBB are called "brawl moves", yet 6 months later, this thread still refers to them as super smash moves. This usage is irritating and incorrect. Someone should change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.239.155.119 (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

What is your source for this information? Minirogue 18:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Developer = OBVIOUSLY the Same Ol'.

The Developer for this game will obviously be HAL Laboratory like always. They developed both the First SSB and Melee. And That is true so you can't fully classify the developer for SSBB being HAL Laboratory as original resarch.--Super World Champions 00:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, your documented proof? :)—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Rights can be handed over to other developers. It is possible. And since there is no actual source yet, then it cannot be determined for sure. Minirogue 01:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

While it is true that HAL Laboratory developed Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee., the director of the series, Masahiro Sakurai, recently left HAL and formed his own company, Sora Ltd. Unfortunately, it's unclear whether Sakurai is working in collaboration with HAL, or if Sora is working on the game independently, or any other possibility. That's why we can't put a definite developer: because we don't know who it is. Disaster Kirby 01:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

OBVIOUSLY you're speculating. there's a chance it could be someone else entirely. this is an encyclopedia, and while most assume it will still be HAL, we can't post anything unless an official source posts/says it. that means an official Nintendo representative, or the official site, or Nintendo's official site. anything else is speculation and not welcomed in an article. FyreNWater 03:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The developer might be the guys who have Solid SnakeAnubiz 11:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not HAL because Sakurai quit and he's working at his own studio I think. Also, I got the impression that the people brought in to make the game weren't from HAL according to how it's made from the official site. (Zojo) (206.105.116.31 18:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC))

I'm sorry I was traying to make a pont. Anubiz 18:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Trying to make a pont? My guess, Nintendo. The engine, title, music ect is resevered to nintendo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.67.158 (talk • contribs)

Not a forum, all speculation is entirely pointless anyways. Minirogue 22:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

That is what ment, but I think I sounds rude to say this is not a form over and over agian.Anubiz 23:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It's rude to restate something that has to be restated, because anonymous people don't know any better to follow the guidelines? Disaster Kirby 23:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If people didn't come to the talk pages or edit articles because of something they "heard" or assume, then we might not have to restate it over and over. Unfortunately, people do do that, and constantly in some cases, so this fact has to be restated since we can't exactly put it in bold, flashing text at the top of the page. And even then some wouldn't listen... InsaneZeroG 01:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

We can't? Why not? Is it because we already have too many templates up there? I'm sure there's some kind of wiki markup for flashing text, because I've seen it in some userboxes... --LuigiManiac 13:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I just found the style modifier to use it in the {{User OS:DOS}} userbox, and modified it to say what needs to be said: <b><big><span style="text-decoration: blink;">WIKIPEDIA TALK PAGES ARE NOT A FORUM</span></big></b>. If the reason we couldn't do it was because of coding issues, this will work without the nowiki markup. If the reason was because of policy, well at least I have a new idea for a userbox. --LuigiManiac 13:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually I assumed it wasn't possible, at least the flashing part. The big-ness, well I assume some person would get mad or something and force it to be taken off or something. If it is possible though, put it up. The less inane and unneeded edits, the better. InsaneZeroG 01:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I put it up, but I wasn't sure on where to put it. I just put it at the top of the page for now. I also was going to link the word "not" to the page where it explains the policy, but I couldn't find it. There's could be a modifier somewhere for altering the rate of the blinking (it kind of blinks a bit more rapid than I expected), but I don't have time for searching tonight. If anyone considers it an eyesore, or uneccessary, just take it down. --LuigiManiac 04:53, 26 April 2007

That blink is annoying to the eyes. I am going to take off the blink format but leave the wording itself up there for now. It may be noticeable, but it's very annoying. I believe red-colored text would be much better. So I did take it down as you said ^_~ 68.115.90.55 20:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Anubiz, if you don't like it, why the hell are you on the page? this isn't a forum, so if you don't like it, don't contribute. and PLEASE use a spellcheck. every time you leave a garbled message, a dictionary explodes. FyreNWater 20:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess we could not add statistics to the article about who is most likely to be the developer, though , Nitendo has reserved the music, engine, and characters. 76.64.61.169 02:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)The dark revenge

Who said I don't, We nead a pitchure of Zero Sute Samus if not here then on her page. Anubiz 20:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Zero Suit Samus is already in the group shot. -Sukecchi 20:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I had a thought though. On the official site, it lists on the bottom Nintendo and HAL Labratory, but not Game Freak or Konami, so obviously they don't list all the companies behind it, but could refer to the developer so whether this could in fact list the developer could be debated but I think this could be proof. -Colbusman 10:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry.Anubiz 22:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Euro Release Date

We need to find another reliable source for the game's Euro release date, as Nintendo Europe now says TBD instead of 2007. Anyone got any ideas? And don't say IGN, because they have it down for September 30, which is a Sunday. Cipher ^{(Talk to the hand)} 18:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no reliable source for the release date anywhere as far as I know. Minirogue 19:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with Sunday? Pokemon Diamond and Pearl came out on a Sunday, unless people in Europe do things differently. But that's beside the point, what I'm trying to say is that saying its on a Sunday is not a good way to debunk it. I'm sure there are many more valid reasons its not a good source than that.Mavrickindigo 23:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well US releases are generally on Tuesdays and Japanese releases are usually on Sundays. European releases are generally on Fridays and chances are, SSBB will be released on high release days. There is still no confirmed release date though. Period. InsaneZeroG 01:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

We are Wikipedia we can't say what we don't know.Anubiz 01:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes and we dont even know if the game will be released this year.

• • The creator said it would still be a "little while" before we could play brawl. :(

That can mean up to 5 years.Anubiz 02:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The only thing to go by is that the Nintendo World Trailer said at the end Get Ready to Brawl 2007. Hopefully that's true. (Zojo 14:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

I know the release date May/36/07 Anubiz 17:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

5 years is unlikely.

But just as posible as Jully.Anubiz 19:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont think Jully because Jully is not a month. This is aprently not a forum so we shouldnt speculate (MOST LIKELY NEXT FEBRUARY) Also to end this useless text, remember what Shigeru Miyamoto says.........because I dont remember what it is. Its on his article.76.64.61.169 02:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)The Dark revenge

We don't know whene it will be it might be 9/11/07 for all we know.Anubiz 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The team! ooooooohhhhh.......(nuts)

So, It has been said (not confirmed) that Sakurai is recruiting a expierienced game making people creating a team called the team.Is this true? if it is,than who are theese recruties that have been aproached. If it is false, than a good chunk of this article has a date with the DELETE button (but only the fake stuff.)

WE NEED SOURCES!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.64.61.169 (talk) 02:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC). I FORGOT to sign this post.76.64.61.169 02:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)The dark revenge

As this fellow says, we need a source. A reliable place that says he's making "The Team."--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 21:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, anyways, the last time I heard his team was called "The Studio". Unknownlight 21:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

He says "The Studio" is a company that recently made an important game, and is the core of a new studio that Nintendo is making for Smash Bros. games. I would post a link, but it looks like the official smash bros. site is down... 124.187.23.114 06:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Correct. The official site itself states it in a page titled "How this game came to be" or something. Sakurai has not revealed the name of this team, but it's definitely not HAL, since he said it was newly formed. - Zero1328 _Talk? 06:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

release date

oh educated and esteemed wikipedians, any word on the release date shown here? http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2686

is it yet more speculation and conjecture? estimation and creation? 59.101.108.116 03:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think it is.Unknownlight 03:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

looks like it is taken from an unreliable source and put onto another unreliable source. It isn't an official source, so it stays TBA. Minirogue 04:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Highly illogical, that it's coming out June 1. Anubiz 23:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

confirmed new info

i hate to suggest this myself because i've seen hundreds of people being shot down on this talk page. if this info has already been mentioned/proven fake, please don't be too mean, i tried my very best to research it properly and to a wikipedia standard. i found this, in which iwata says brawl is set to be released between the end of summer and fall. there's also this, in which kojima himself has played brawl and makes a few comments, especially on its level of completion. i can't believe nobody has suggested these links here before, they're certainly exciting for fanboys. so i apologise if they're old news. Djchallis 10:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The reason they're shot down is because they keep looking at the same piece of old info. That Wind Waker Link, Kid Bowser, etc thingy. This on the other hand, is quite new. It's less than a week old, actually. I forgot about it, though. Thanks for bringing it up. - Zero1328 _Talk? 11:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

B.J. note haping Anubiz 11:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

...What is that supposed to be? I don't know about the Summer/Fall release...but the Kojima part is quite true. -Sukecchi 12:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This is true. It is in a article at ign I just read.(Im just sorry you posted it before me.)76.64.62.50 14:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)The dark revenge.

Its wasn't mentioned what region, so to play it safe I only changed Japan and N. America dates. FMF|contact 14:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that the part where Kojima says that the game feels complete should be in the development section, if it's worth mentioning. magiciandude 14:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for asking but whats Q4 Anubiz 15:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Quarter 4. October, November, and December.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 15:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Why put Q4 when the article said somewhere between the end of summer to fall? Wouldn't that fall under Q3? (Zojo 17:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

Its a rough area to get into since the "end of summer" could just be a week or so before Q4 or he might mean all of September. Q4 covers most of fall. Q4 should probably just be replaced with "fall". Yes, no? FMF|contact 18:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

THE GAME IS COMING OUT THIS YEAR! IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED! That is why I changed the name. I heard this on ign.com that Iwata-san confirmed it. Check if you dont believe me.74.14.48.198 18:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)The dark revenge.

No. I don't think putting "fall" will cover it. Hmm... it really depends on how the person takes the statement "between the end of summer and fall." As far as months go, August is usually considered the last summer month(I think) and September then is considered the first fall month. And both Aug and Sept are Q3. The other viewpoint is September 21 is the first day of fall (I think) and that would only leave like a week or two of Q3. I don't know if what I put makes sense but if you guys understood, what do you think? Q3, Q4, fall, 2007...what should be put? (Sorry I think just repeated what the guy before me said) (Zojo 20:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

I long thought that September would be the most logical time but didn't say anything. Anubiz 20:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Your intuition tells you it'll be released in September (and might very well be now) and you don't even tell your fellow Smash Bros enthusiust(that's me)? (Zojo 20:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

You guys hate gussing, so I did not say aneything. Besides if you based the page of my intuition, we would have Snorlax, Misty, and Earthwrom Jin as fighters. Anubiz 23:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't put anything. We want a specific date, not just spec. And yes, even though it was offical sources, it is speculation until we get a press release about a SPECIFIC date. Oh, btw...Snorlax(?), Misty(!) and Earthworm Jim \m/ rofl. Quatreryukami 01:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• people, people. unless it's released by the official game site, Nintendo's official site, or from the mouth of an official representative, take everything as total speculation &/or rumors. please don't make me repeat this any more. FyreNWater 09:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

it was an official representative, it was iwata himself. the only issue is that he was quite vague.Djchallis 09:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Or perhaps there are dark forces at work...maybe it was Satan disguised as Iwata...just something to think about. Yeah, his statement is official, no speculation whatsoever... (Zojo 14:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

First Zojo grow up, second vague or not at least it gets a something to go on and third what's wrong with Snorlax? Anubiz 16:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why it couldn't simply be left as 2007. 199.126.137.209 16:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The Same argument could be used against you. I don't see why it couldn't simply be left as Q4 2007, or Q4 07 to take less space. What region wasn't stated though, so I think it should just be left as 2007 as well. Takuthehedgehog 17:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Just put 2007. People can read the article and take it for what they will. No sense forcing our opinions on readers. (Zojo 17:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

Zojo it Q4 now dell if you don't like it you have to leave it alone, or you will be the backside of a Donkey. Anubiz 18:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• STOP TALKING AND WAIT UNTIL AN OFFICIAL DATE IS RELEASED. FyreNWater 21:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, we will wait, don't have a cow. Anubiz 21:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you gotta point. Got to wait for the official date (no intent to rhyme). I guess, technically, saying Q3 or Q4 based on a vague statement is speculation. My bad...my bad... (Zojo 22:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

IT IS COMING OUT AROUND FALL AND WINTER .PERIOD.

Samus Gender?

...why does the article refer to Samus as a "he"? 75.38.112.227

Probably some vandalism that went by unchecked. Just fix it. -Sukecchi 00:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The article is currently semi-protected, so IPs can't edit it. I've fixed it. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 00:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

new info

I found out it's being rated T for Teen. .Cans omeone add it in? I also found some box art. Temporary though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Irkenkeyblade (talk • contribs) 01:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Care to link to said boxart? -Sukecchi 02:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

And the source for the rating? The Dojo's opening English page still lists it as Rating Pending. --Sparky Lurkdragon 02:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Teen is highly logicl, I hope its not E-10 I don't like that one,SSBM is Teen. Anubiz 10:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

He probably just seen a concept design made by a fan trying to pass it off as the real deal. (Zojo 14:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC))

Anubiz, disliking a rating is stupid. Furthermore, if SSBM was re-released now, it would get an E-10+ rating. SSBB will mostlikely get E-10, though T is also possible. As for the box art, it was mostlikely a fanmade one, or a temporary boxart made by a gamesite. None of it is official, though, not even the ratings. We need to wait for an official boxart (and official boxart is not necessarily the final boxart) to determine what rating the game will be. (Dang, realized I wasn't logged in--this is actually 'Ultima' [UltimaHedgie] speaking.) --68.74.202.213 18:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

No rating yet from the official ESRB website. Minirogue 19:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Aneywhay the finale boxart might not have the rating at first either not sure if somebody met that earlier, but a lot of games released the box art before we get a rating. Anubiz 19:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

unless it's from an official.... geez, don't make me repeat myself. FyreNWater 21:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

killer-app

the dark revenge=Is this game considered a killer app for the wii, and if it is, should it be mentioned? 76.64.60.242 19:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

No, because it's an opinion. -Sukecchi 19:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

A what? Anubiz 19:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Since I don't know which one you're referring to, I'll address them both:

A killer application is a high selling piece of software for a system. An opinion is someone's feelings about a certain subject or idea. -Sukecchi 19:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I know what an Opinion is, I might be slow sometimes, but I am not dum. Anubiz 20:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that it's a killer app, but the game is not yet released so if we say that in the article it would be an opinion. Unknownlight 15:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

From what I gather, a killer app can also be a game that has been called that by several big sources, regardless of whether it's been released or not (I'm sure Zelda Twilight Princess has been called the Wii killer app long before its release). If sites like IGN have been calling it a killer app, I think it could be valid for inclusion in the article, but I could be wrong. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 05:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're definitely right about IGN calling TP a killer app for the wii. So I guess it's alright in saying that Brawl is a killer app too. Or maybe not. I'm not sure. Unknownlight 21:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As long as you provide a means for readers to verify it themselves (in this case, a link), it may be alright to say that IGN calls it a killer app. Dancter 21:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

(sorry for double post) I do know that Brawl has been in EGM's "The BIG Ones" article several times, so I guess that counts as a killer-app game. Unknownlight 21:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no "double posting" as this is not a forum. -Sukecchi 22:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

"Killer app" is somewhat different than Sukecchi described it. The description in the actual article is somewhat better, though I disagree with many of the examples listed in the video games section. It's not just a big game. Dancter 21:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I knew I couldn't describe it properly, so that's why I linked to the article. -Sukecchi 22:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

This is not a Form, stop. Anubiz 00:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

First of all, it's forum. Second of all, the user suggested this, and we are discussing why it shouldn't be put into the article. It is not going off topic, as the reasons above are quite valid. -Sukecchi 00:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

OK then, Wikpedia is not a crystalball Anubiz 01:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" is simply an particular application of verifiability policy. If reliable sources make attributable forward-looking statements, they can possibly be included as such. This is an unreleased game. Release dates are tentative, too, but we still cover them when they are supported by reliable sources, making sure to characterize the information properly. What I was trying to explain to Unknownlight is that we can't extrapolate; something needs to be expressed directly by the source for us to able to cover it and attribute it appropriately. Dancter 01:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes so we should not speak of the killer-appness of the game. Anubiz 02:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

what is the point of this entire section? FyreNWater 05:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It was certainly tenuous, but it seems the thread was debating whether or not it should be mentioned that the game is a killer app. Given the couple discussions before this, I would consider this some small progress. Dancter 08:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Why put killer app? We all know Brawl's going to be awesome. That's a given. Do we need an article to tell us something that's pretty much obvious? (Zojo 14:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

If it is verifiable and is about something hugely notable, it pretty much goes into Wikipedia. :)

We're absolutely right that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. But Wikipedia provides info that is meant to be verifiable, and sites like IGN can do crystal ball material if they'd like. If IGN, a site both notable and reliable as a source for many articles about games, has called Brawl a will-be killer app for Wii, then it should not violate any Wikipedia content policies to state what IGN states in this article and provide the url to the IGN article as a verifiable source. I would support saying something like "This game has been stated by IGN as being a would-be killer app for Wii [1]" in this article's intro paragraph, or maybe the development paragraph, and providing the source. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 19:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed this conversation ,or whatever it is, is pretty much pointless. That is coming from me. Anubiz 21:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

So... Are we putting it in the article or not? That is the question that needs a straight answer. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 03:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Noone has provided any reference to a reputable source that makes any direct assertion whether the game is considered a killer app, so no. Dancter 03:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No, this is not a forum, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball not unless it's been confirmed on an official source. Anubiz 13:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

You're just repeating stuff now. -Sukecchi 13:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No I'm not I'm trying to respond like a normal Wikipediiean Anubiz 13:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Then respond at the appropriate time with the correct reply. -Sukecchi 13:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully everyone who's posted here now understands the appropriate guidelines, and we won't have to deal with proposals for unsubstantiated edits in the future. Lessons learned, and now we can proceed appropriately, with inappropriate posts dealt with through messages and warnings on editors' user talk pages. Dancter 15:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I just looked through all of the IGN pages about brawl, and found that there is indeed no mention of the game being considered a "killer app" anywhere there, so that indeed means there is to be no mention of Brawl being considered a killer app for Wii in this article, because a reliable source never posted the thought. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 19:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Eric has spoken! Anubiz 20:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

And Anubis approves! Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 19:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just saying should it be COSIDERED a kiler app.It was just a questio and I didnt mention anything about Ign. If I knew so many [personal attack removed] would take it so seriously I wouldnt have said it. 74.14.49.157 17:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)The dark revenge

It's not even out yet. Sam 19:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

We should wate for E3 at least. Anubiz 00:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

i thought E3 was shut down Sir de wario 22:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No I don't thik so. Anubiz 22:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sir de wario, E3 was not shut down, it was scaled down. E3 will simply be smaller this year but it's not shut down. Unknownlight 04:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Tingle is likely to make some sort of appearance... And Wii controls are somewhat revealed?

Look at this: http://ranobe.com/up/src/up189355.jpg

Even though a Tingle cartoon is only on the left, this can't be an advertisement for another game because DK and Kirby are in it. The first picture also seems to be a player using the Wii Remote to make their character attack. 208.101.136.230 15:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The most important thing here is it says nintendo/hal labortory inc.Marioman10 16:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

My initual opinion is that it's not official. Completely fake. Fan made. Could be wrong, though. (Zojo 16:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC))

The picture on the left looks like pictures from the new Tingle game that may or may not come to U.S. BassxForte 17:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It isn't fake. It's from CoroCoro magazine. However, it doesn't explicitly confirm anything anywhere and actually suggests speculation on the controls and they aren't serious about Tingle. 75.153.231.20 20:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I doubt Tingle has anything to do with Brawl at this point (as confirmed info). He was drawn but the real stuff was 3d and from the game. Plus, it speculated that the wiimote would be used to mimic Link's sword slash. Something like that isn't likely based on the fact that GC controllers are going to be used and Sakurai didn't want to alienate those familiar to the pad (zojo) (65.41.108.140 20:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC))

I would kill Sakurai if he decide to make Tingle playable. Let's wait until more news, m'kay? magiciandude 21:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

i say we sit tight until: 1. someone who can read Japanese explains things or 2. the English version comes out. FyreNWater 22:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

That is so fake. Anubiz 02:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

This is NOT fake, and I can read Japanese. The bottom line is that this scan doesn't tell us anything new. What exactly do you think they're faking? 75.153.231.20 03:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The handdrawn pictures of TIngle and the kid using the wiimote to make Link slash. What does it say by those?Tuesday42 13:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

How shoud I know? Anubiz 19:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I was asking the anon who said he knew Japanese.Tuesday42 20:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, he already said they weren't serious about Tingle and that the Wii stuff was speculation(that part I already assumed.) Should have noticed that before i asked for a translation at the reference desk. >_<Tuesday42 20:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I still would like to know what the caption under the drawing of Tingle says. I can tell the Wiimote-kid caption says something like "You play it on the Wii! Will it be controled like in this picture?", but I would like some clarification on the other one.Tuesday42 00:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Uhm, why are we even arguing over this? Isn't the rule Verified Consensus? Just leave it out period until...blah blah blah see earlyer posts. Quatreryukami 02:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Relase date?

Who put that date up? was it vandlisom? Anubiz 02:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Dude, we get so much release date vandilizm it ain't even funny. BassxForte 03:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I trayed to fix it myself but I coud not find it on the edit page. Anubiz 11:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to just say (I havent touched this page for the past month, btw) that IGN have said that Smash Bros is being released in the UK on the 30th of September. 195.195.15.250 13:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Mojanboss

If you bleve that, how about some land in Florda Anubiz 13:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's just call up Sakurai and see if he can't give us an idea on when the game will be done and ready to ship. (Zojo 17:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

He dos not speak English. Anubiz 17:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

too much speculation in this article, just why the hell do they even bother. Sir de wario 20:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)sir de wario

I agre with Sir Wario Anubiz 21:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Bizarre though, isn't it, that you listed IGN's release date for Super Mario Galaxy. 195.195.15.250 10:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Mojanboss