Talk:Tamil nationalism

Original Research

This article is much of original research. It is not backed with any reverent source. Please re-consider the article by bringing facts. --Onef9day (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Facts are here: http://books.google.es/books?id=ALQ2ScxmXDEC&pg=RA1-PA173&dq=Language+policy+and+linguistic+culture+in+Tamilnadu&hl=es&ei=YD96TOmcB5CRjAf1pOChBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Language%20policy%20and%20linguistic%20culture%20in%20Tamilnadu&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Martens (talk • contribs) 11:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Merging of Tamil nationalism, Indian Tamil nationalism and Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism

The consensus is that Tamil nationalism and Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism should not be merged.

Vatasura (talk) 05:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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think these three articles dealt with the same topic Tamil nationalism. It would be advantageous, the Indian Tamil nationalism and Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism to merge with Tamil nationalism in order to create a good article on this topic. Indian and Sri Lankan Tamils are not two different nations with their own nationalism. The Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism and Indian Tamil nationalism could be easily integrated in Tamil nationalism, because this article already deals with Tamil nationalism in Sri Lanka and India.

let us discuss on this.--Vatasura (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - Although these three share similarities, they are also different, having different origins and outcomes. One cannot lump them all together.

Tamil nationalism is a general nationalism that is prevalent throughout the our world - pride in one's culture, language, history etc. Indian Tamil nationalism is part of the larger Dravidian identity movement which was started to protect the Dravidian identity from north Indians (Hindi speaking). It has generally succeeded, with the Dravidian languages being officially recognized and the creation of linguistic states. Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism started as a reaction to discriminatory polices by Sinhalese dominated governments post independence. It failed to achieve its goals which in turn resulted in violent separatism and civil war. This too failed but nationalism is very much present amongst Sri Lankan Tamils who are still struggling for equality and dignity.

Also, the Tamil nationalism is in a very poor state and in no condition to be merged with a Good Article like Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 15:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• Reply to obi2canibe

I agree with you that Tamil nationalism is still in a poor state and should be improved. Tamil nationalism in Sri Lanka and India, may have different political origins but are basically the same. Dravidian nationalism should not be confused with Tamil nationalism. Dravidian nationalism is a Pan-nationalism and can be compared with Indian nationalism. If Tamil nationalism is improved to a good article, then a merger would be a good move.--Vatasura (talk) 04:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

They are not basically the same as I have stated above. Irrespective of this, if Tamil nationalism is improved it is likely the article would be too big to incorporate all of Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism and would need to be WP:SIZESPLIT.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 10:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism needs to be left as an independent article of its own for the reasons pointed out by Obi2canibe.

This article does require more effort and development to reflect the larger picture. Broad topics such as cross-straits nationalism and the distinctive Tamil identity(as opposed to Indian or Sri Lankan) need to be covered. Just to clear the air, there was no such thing as Dravidian nationalism. In fact, there were demands from different linguistic communities to split the Madras Presidency which was seen as the Dravidian homeland by many. More work is needed on both these key articles. --CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 13:45, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose As per Cucl2 --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  08:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - Tamil Nationalism is a concept or propoganda prevailing mainly in Tamil nadu , home land of Tamil speaking people. It is the propoganda promoted by a linguistic group of a Single nation (India).But Sri lankan Tamil Nationalism is promoted by Freedom fighters in a other nation (Sri lanka). Both concepts are different. First one promotes developmet in own language and culture, later one mainly revolves around the freedom movement of tamil people living in Sri lanka (Ethnic war between Sri lankan Tamils and Sri lankan Singhelese). Sri lankan Tamil Nationalism involves terrorist concepts and revolutionary mechanism, while Tamil nationalism follows non-violence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrumudiChozhan (talk • contribs) 16:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose - Sri Lankan Tamil Nationalism has only a little to do with Indian Tamil nationalism. Indian Tamil Nationalism was rooted in an idea of a Dravidian race. Sri Lankan Tamil Nationalism is a direct response to the over handedness of some Sinhalese in Sri Lanka. Sri Lankan Tamils understand that the word Tamil is not so much a race construct as it is a cultural construct. Sri Lankan Tamils only have to gain the apathy of the moderate Sinhalese if we strongly cling to a world Tamil identity. For Gods sake, the two major parties in Tamil Nadu have the word Dravidian in them.. That word is never heard in Sri Lanka, neither is it heard in any ancient Tamil manuscripts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.150.18 (talk) 15:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Neutrality and other issues

This article seem to be non-neutral. Tamil nationalism is not major issue in India. It was somewhat notable issue in past era 1950s, 1960s when India was newly established and various issues were raised regarding various languages of various states. In those times these so called Tamil Nationalist political parties were born like DMK. But those parties are also now involved in active Indian politics and they don't use any language of separatism. Moreoevr, people claim that Periyar was also of same kind of leader but it is again false because Periyar is praised all over India and government of India also praised him, he was not separatist. Now only question remains is about banned terrorist organization LTTE. Those militants were active in Sri Lanka, they wanted separate Tamil nation in Sri Lanka, not in India. And in Sri Lanka also main terrorist Prabhakaran was killed in 2009 and now there is no issue of LTTE now. Then where is Tamil Nationalism? I know it do exists in Sri Lanka because of Human rights violations by Sri Lankan government on Tamil speakers, so it can be problem of Lanka. There is no human rights violations of Tamils in India, we don't have any sources, people are free to vote and free to elect their leader. So unnecessary mention of India here is not good. In India the only major problem of separatism is in Jammu and Kashmir. 2nd rank is of Northeast India (but it is very trival} and Tamil nationalism stands no where in this series. Don't make unnecesary issues.This is specialy for users like Vatasura. I have sources for whatever I have said above. Thank you. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  23:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that you are willing to discuss on the matter of POV.

My friend, Tamil nationalism is not only separatism and LTTE as you claim. It should not be labeled as POV simply because it mentioned the history of Tamil separatism in India.

Let's look at the head.

• Tamil nationalism asserts that Tamils are a nation and promotes the cultural unity of Tamil people. It expresses itself in the form of linguistic purism ("Pure Tamil"), nationalism and irredentism ("Tamil Eelam"), Anti-Casteism ("Self-Respect Movement") and Tamil Renaissance.

As you can see, the separatism is only one branch of the whole Tamil nationalism.

• Tamils are one of the oldest civilisation in the world with a rich culture and language. Originally, Tamil people ruled in Tamilakam and parts of Sri Lanka. During the colonial period, the Tamil areas came under the rule of British India and Ceylon. This situation completely eradicated the sovereignty of Tamils and reduced them to a minority status under political model implemented by British on their process of granting independence to their colonies.

That's a fact, if there was no colonialism, there would be no India, Sri Lanka or Tamil separatism.

• Since independence, Tamil separatist movements are suppressed in Sri Lanka and India.

Indian government had added a legislation that outlawed anyone wanting independence from India. This is called suppression of separatism.

Please, mention the individual lines, that you considered as POV. Can I ask you, why Tamil Nationalism is under the WikiProject Terrorism and Kurdish nationalism or Basque nationalism not? The neutrality is questionable here.--Vatasura 04:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Partisan rewriting of History

Hello !

I highlighted the following passage with the "Dubious span" model

" Originally, Tamil people ruled in Tamilakam and parts of Sri Lanka. During the colonial period, the Tamil areas came under the rule of British India and Ceylon. This saw the end of the sovereignty of Tamils and reduced them to minority status under a political model implemented during the British Raj. "

The statement put forward is factually false. Since the current State of Tamil Nadu (a territorial entity whose unity never really existed before the Indian Republic) was not a sovereign "Tamil" territory before the English.

At the dawn of British colonization, the latter were not confronted with "Tamil" states, whose disappearance led to the loss of "Tamil sovereignty". The British, on the Indian side, faced numerous kingdoms and principalities arising from the Vijayanagara period (including the "Polygar" states led by Tamil-speaking rulers) or resulting from the advances of the Deccan Sultanates and then the Mughal Empire. Likewise on the Sri Lankan side, where the exception of the Kingdom of Jaffna was no longer relevant after the Portuguese and then Dutch occupations. The east coast chiefdoms were vassals of the Kingdom of Kandy.

Talking about “Tamil sovereignty” is something even more problematic. One might ask what is “Tamil sovereignty” and what is not. This idea of "Tamil sovereignty" clearly appears to be a contemporary conception transposed to a historical period which does not seem to know it. Drusekoana (talk) 13:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)