Talk:Tarzan's Magic Fountain

Where is Elmo Lincoln in this film?

Like many others, I've long heard that Elmo Lincoln has a tiny uncredited role in this film, but I've never been able to spot him. I have seen a photo of Barker and Lincoln on the set, both in Tarzan loincloths (Elmo looked to be in pretty decent shape for a man of 59), so I have no doubt that he did film a bit part, but I've often wondered if perhaps it got cut out. I've heard he played a "fisherman who crosses paths briefly with Tarzan," yet I can't find a scene with a fisherman. So, anybody know the approximate time index where his cameo is? Sir Rhosis (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• Never mind. His role was just pointed out to me. Will edit article to highlight it. Sir Rhosis (talk) 13:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Aviatrix

"Aviatrix" is an archaic term that was used to refer to female aviators in the 1920s/1930s. Nowadays it's use is regarded as outdated and (arguably) derogatory. There is no need to use the term in this article to refer to Gloria James Jessup as it is already apparent that she is female and "aviator" describes her profession succinctly. Aviatrix is a term that is generally avoided on Wikipedia because the Manual of Style says to "use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision". Both WP:GNL and WP:MODLANG also give guidance on the matter. gobonobo ^{+ c} 03:43, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I understand your viewpoint, there are a few things which you misstate, however. The term, Aviatrix, was used to describe female aviators through the mid-1950s, at which point, they began to be more commonly referred to as female aviators (although both were used in the 40s and 50s). Aviatrix was continued to be used in both the military and commercial aviation spheres through the 1970s. That second moniker lasted at least through the 1980s, and is still in use today in some circles. Not sure where you came up with the idea that it was derogatory, never heard it used that way, and can find no information supporting that claim. If we were discussing Sally Ride, your point would be extremely valid, but the article is about a female aviator during the period when they were routinely called aviatrix (not sure of the plural spelling, so forgive me). I think referring to the character in the correct historical context is more accurate. Let's see what others think. Btw... thanks for taking it to the talk page. Onel5969 (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we use archaic terminology just because it was used in an historical context, otherwise we'd be referring to African American people as Negros in many articles. Please see MOS:GNL. The manual of style directs us to use gender-neutral language regardless of whether some people continue to use the term. There are also neutrality concerns here, as aviatrix has acquired a belittling or sexual connotation over time. Please consider that Language and the Sexes says aviatrix has a "clear trivializing effect", the The SAGE Handbook of Sociolinguistics points out that aviatrix tends to "carry negative connotations having undergone processes of semantic slippage" and The Columbia Guide to Standard American English refers to aviatrix as "archaic or even obsolete". In this instance, there is really no need for an outdated, gendered term when a gender-neutral term will suffice. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:30, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I wonder if you would care to respond? gobonobo ^{+ c} 15:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: I hadn't responded because no response was necessary. You stated your viewpoint, I stated mine. Onel5969 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)