Talk:Teena Marie

First album

the first teena marie album was not wild and peaceful. it was aladin's lamp 1980 and it does have a very clear picture of her on the cover, her hair is very straight and i think she was 19 at the time but im not sure. there is no mention of this album on this site. Get christie love (talk) 06:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The Thing I Love Most About Teena

The thing I love most about Teena Marie was that she sang was one of the first of not THE first white female artists that sang with the style and soul of a black female R&B artist and gave full credit to where she style came from which is African American culture. She never detatched herself from her core audience of African Americans. However, at that time mainstream America was not ready for a white artist with black sound who was not willing to deny her core audience of African Americans. Almost all popular musical art forms in America today were created by African Americans but few of those artists give proper credit to where their musical artform originated including Rock & Roll artists and Pop music artists. Teen Marie is a self proclaimed "Vanilla-Choc" and was before it was popular to do so. That's what I love about Teena. Many white artists today are clueless by choice about the fact that they own their entire existence to African American musical innovation, but Teena was a "Vanilla-Choc" deva before it was popular to be one. Today the African American singing style has been plagarized by mainstream America. But of all the white R&B and Pop artists today that imiate the "Black Sound" without proper credit where credit is due, the only authentic, legitimate white R&B artists in my eyes is Teena Marie because she did it before it was popular and remained true to her core audience of African Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparham3 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Highest notes

The first cd was not Irons in the fire (1980. But wild and Peaceful which came out in 1979. The hit on that album was a song featuring Rick James called "I'm Just a sucker for your Love".== Whistle register ==

Does anyone know what songs she sings that high in i wanna hear, i love teena marie!

• "Fire & Desire" with Rick James is one...enjoy! Lesanichelle 01:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• I thought she only sang up to C#6... but I'll listen again. 67.181.94.96 05:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah the highest she sings in Fire and Desire is C#6. 67.181.94.201 23:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• correction. she sings the highest at the end of "Young Love." that song is one pitch higher than Fire & Desire. Drmagic

Ummm... she hits A5 & B5 at the end of young love. The whistle register is E6. If it were a pitch higher than C#6 then that would make it D6, a note lower than the whistle register. 67.181.94.201 23:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Why must we discount live performances. At some awards show, Rick and Teena came back out and she hit the F. I promise you, I love Teena and KNOW SHE IS GOD'S GIFT TO BLUE EYED SOUL, but even I jumped up for that. Antares33712 18:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• For some high notes also listen to the live version of Deja Vu on the re-release of It Must Be Magic or We've Got To Stop Meeting Like This with Ronnie McNeir from Starchild.

I can't find that version of Deja Vu. On We've Got To Stop, the highest note is C#6, which isnt high enough to qualify her as a whistle register singer. As for that F, I wish I could hear it, I love her high notes. You don't happen to know the song or what awards show it was on? Myke 03:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not doubt that Teena Marie has the ability to sing in the whistle range, however before I or anyone else put her name on the list I think the appropriate thing is to be done which is to present reference/s that speak to this claim. Everyone on tha list so far has some writing in their article about their ability...the same should be applied here...When time allows I too will be searching for sound references to add Teena's name back. Kudeh November 5, 2006 2:28

No ones doubting her. It's just there should be evidence of her abilities somewhere. I mean I have a list of 55 artists who have pitched at least an E6 in a recording and the recording of it, and some artists I have only heard through clips that I do not have such as Whitney Houston, Jennifer Hudson, and a couple singer who have gotten close to the whistle register easily. And I have yet to have been given a name of a song where Teena Marie hits a note higher than C#6. And still she would need to hit a E6 to be considered a whistle register-capable singer. Myke 07:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

About "Black Rain"

"Blain Rain" is NOT an unreleased album. "La Dona" was originally titled that, but she changed it. Los Besos

Venice High School

I attended Venice with Tina as she was known then but I'm not sure if she graduated or not.She's not in the Venice Gondoliers 1974 Yearbook along with the other graduates in the "Class of 1974".She was two grades higher than me.I recall seeing her around the campus.jeanne (talk) 14:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Video Soul: "I'm not white."

I recall her being on BET's Video Soul back in the day and then host Donnie Simpsons called her white, but she had gone on to say that she was not white and that she was "Chicana." Just thought I would mention that. If she was lying or not, I don't know, but she did say it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.93.188 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe that she's of Portuguese ancestry, however, her surname "Brockert" would indicate German ancestry as well. I don't remember her ever socialising with the Mexican-Americans at Venice High; in fact, she basically hung out with black people.--jeanne (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Brockert is English not German.86.7.140.64 (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Sources

I've noticed that recent edits have been done to remove unsourced and inaccurate statements about Teena Marie. I'm glad, as this adheres to the policy regarding biographies of living people. I'd like to re-write and source several sections, but if I don't get around to it, I want to direct others to Google Books and Google Scholar, which link to several sources.--Raskovnik (talk) 07:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Reworking this article

I'm back so soon! I propose reworking this article to bring it closer to a "Good" rating. I have checked some R&B artist articles and found that LeToya Luckett's contains several elements that would work well here.

• A lead section with a focus on Teena Marie's career highlights (such as her crossover single "Lovergirl" and her #1 R&B single "Ooh La La La"), without details of her personal life. It's notable to mention Teena Marie's status as a Caucasian R&B artist; however, the the specifics regarding her ethnicity might go better in an "Early life" section. Also, any mention of her daughter would be perfectly appropriate when discussing their professional collaborations--such as on the La Doña album. I have just noticed that Alia Rose is mentioned in reference to the Passion Play album, which is adequate as well.
• As I mentioned above, an "Early life" section. Information in the current "Biography" section about her childhood and youth could be left here, while information pertinent to her recording career--if not already mentioned--could be moved to later sections in the article.
• Career sections could be created and divided by dates, notable events, and/or record label releases. Teena Marie released albums under Motown, Epic, independently, CashMoney, and is now again apparently an independent artist. Based on these "eras," I'm sure appropriate section titles could be created.
• As that tag suggests, several items in the trivia section could indeed be integrated in the article. I am not certain, however, where to mention that Teena Marie is Maya Rudolph's godmother.
• Sources! This article lacks them in almost every section, even though they're findable.

That's about it. More suggestions are welcome!--Raskovnik (talk) 17:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Can someone finish creating the Hot Adult R&B Airplay column? I tried but Wiki was Wacky. This chart is where she appears the most these days and should be included! Thanks. C —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chael39 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Website

Ivoryqueenofsoul.com no longer exists. So it has been deleted.Los besos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC).

Reworking article

I'm working on revising the article. I have my references and citations and all, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floetry Spades (talk • contribs) 02:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

There are now plentiful references so I removed the BLP Sources edit tag from the top of the article, which had been there since August 2008. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

New Discography Article

Until today there was a suggestion in this article to split the Discography section into its own article. I am in the process of completing the split, and just created the new Teena Marie discography. I copied the tables and references that were here into that new article. Teena Marie experts, please check out that article and see if all the discography info is still accurate and up to date. Meanwhile I am altering this main Teena Marie article accordingly so the information is not repeated. Sincerely, DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:08, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I love you teena maria because you can sing. Oh la la was a good song and potequese love. You touch my heart, but i love your singing not you because i'm only twelve. So you can sing and if you were 12 i would like you. Good-bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.70.245 (talk) 19:35, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

This talk page needs to be tidied up

This page has comments at the top of the page and is really untidy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Stephen James Walker writes on 14 June 2010: What's happened to the long list of Teena Marie collaborations that used to be on her main page? I spent ages helping to compile that, and finding all the details. Fortunately, I kept a copy of the list on my own PC, otherwise I'd be really annoyed at all that useful information having vanished. A pity other people won't get a chance to read it now it no longer seems to be on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.90.120 (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Death rumors

I just got a phone call about this from a source, but there's no actual news about it and scant mention of it on twitter. Either super-fresh breaking news or another false celeb death rumor. Heads up.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.221.214 (talk) 00:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

LeVar Burton just tweeted about it. Does that count for anything? —Wasabe3543 01:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyone repeating a rumor, on Twitter or elsewhere, does not constitute a source. Whether or not that person was ever on Star Trek doesn't matter. WP:BLP demands a reliable source; that is more important than being "first". Google News is currently void of anything; it will come soon enough if true. Put the page under review protection; edits should not be promoted until verified by a reliable source. --Kbh3^rdtalk 01:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible source: http://carey2.blogspot.com/2010/12/philly-radio-station-reports-teena.html --FeanorStar7 (talk) 01:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Wait for it.[1] --Kbh3^rdtalk 01:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Still rumors, but for now - I'll just keep an eye on things, hopefully she's still alive and this is all a prank. - Dwayne was here! ♫ 01:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Popping up on Google News, but just reports of reports, not what I'd call solid from last I saw. --Kbh3^rdtalk 01:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

CNN report: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/26/singer-teena-marie-dead-at-54/ --FuriousFreddy (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

And from Huffington Post, usable as a secondary source since they point to two radio station announcements as primaries: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/26/lovergirl-singer-teena-marie-dead-report_n_801396.html?ref=tw --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 01:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, they still haven't reported what caused her death, as it has been confirmed from what I know. I think were better off using the CNN report as a source, as FuriousFreddy mentioned it earlier. - Dwayne was here! ♫ 02:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Always good to have backups, though... (Just remember where you left them, as a sysadmin kept telling me.) --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

E! online http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b217919_singer_teena_marie_dead_54.html claims she died on Christmas day, not the 26th as currently stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.57.170 (talk) 03:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

"Untill her death" should be "until her death". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.138.227 (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Legal name in lead

Shouldn't Teena Marie's legal name be in the lead section, in line with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Pseudonyms, stage names and common names? There are two options:

• Mary Christine Brockert (March 5, 1956 – December 26, 2010), better known by the stage name Teena Marie, was an American singer–songwriter–producer.
• Teena Marie (March 5, 1956 – December 26, 2010), born Mary Christine Brockert, was an American singer–songwriter–producer.

83.84.195.88 (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes it should. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I used the first example, as the second would better apply to a person who legally changed their name. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Teena Marie NOT first white artist signed to Motown

According to the Wikipedia listing for BARRY GORDY, the article under the heading "Motown Record Corporation" cites the following statement: "Kiki Dee became the first white female British singer to be signed to the Motown label." In addition the following white bands/artists were signed to Motown prior to Teena Marie: Chris Clark - 1967 and Rare Earth - 1968 Please keep in mind that I am not trying to take anything away from this soulful singer, but I am just trying to clarify some things. That fact that many don't even know who "Kiki Dee" is speaks volumes.....would'nt you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.20.2 (talk) 01:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC) Debbie Dean was Motown's first white solo artist. She had a hit in 1961 with "Don't Let Him Shop Around" (#92 POP), an answer record to the Miracles' "Shop Around". She later became a staff writer for Motown, and co-wrote the Martha Reeves and the Vandellas' hit "I Can't Dance To The Music You're Playing" (#42 POP). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.143 (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

She was known as Tina

I attended Venice High School with her and she was known as Tina Brockert not Mary or Marie. In the 1974 school yearbook, she's called Tina. The article should use this name instead.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Referred by last name???

I thought this Teena Marie site was suppose to be as "encyclopedia-like" as possible. If so, then shouldn't Teena Marie be referred to by her last name(s) - Brockert (her actual last name) or Marie (her "stage name" last name) - instead of by her first name(s) (Mary, Tina and/or Teena)? If you disagree please let me know; if you agree then shouldn't we put the change in soon? Thank You. --Halls4521 (talk) 15:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's a definitive solution, as this case is somewhat of an anomaly. Her legal name throughout her life was "Mary Christine Brockert". She went by her middle name, and was known as "Tina". Her earliest television appearance was credited as "Tina Marie Brockert", and User Jeanne Boleyn was kind enough to document her personal knowledge that she was known as "Tina Brockert" in high school. In taking her stage name she basically dropped her last name, and changed the spelling of her chosen first name. I agree that precision is of the essence. A case could be made for "Brockert", as it was indeed her name. A case could also be made for "Teena Marie", as this was the name by which she was known to the public. I don't have a strong preference for either. What I do oppose is using "Marie", as this gives the impression that it was her surname. "Teena Marie" is one name. Joefromrandb (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the article should refer to her as Teena Marie rather than Brochert. It was her nome d'arte - the name by which she was known to the public, same as Madonna. The latter is not referred to as Ciccone.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:04, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. Any objections folks? Joefromrandb (talk) 18:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

In 2 part stage names (as if it was her legal/birth name) it is encyclopedic to refer to her has Teena Marie, or just Marie in secondary or tertiary references. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 19:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

What I am attempting to explain is that it is not a "2 part name". "Mary Christine Brockert" is a 3 part name. "Tina Marie Brockert" is a 2 part name. "Tina (or Teena) Marie" is a one part name. (talk) 19:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Her stage name was "Teena Marie". In articles such as this, she is sometimes referred to as Marie. We will do the same. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 19:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

As you can see, we are discussing this. While I couldn't be happier to have another user participating, announcing what "we will do" is not very conducive to discussion. The source that you have provided is not subject to the same stringinces in writing that an encyclopedia is. Nonetheless, thank you for your comments. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Although I've seen it done elswhere, I can't seem to figure out how to strike through a comment, which I was going to do here. That being the case, I'd like to note here that my comment above wasn't the friendliest thing I could have said, and I left a note of apology at I Help, When I Can's talk page. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Before I commence, no disrespect is intended. But if Allmusic did not meet our standards, we wouldn't cite them. The same appears in several more articles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I think we should follow suit. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 20:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for that comment, and I wish to reciprocate to you the respect you have shown me. I didn't mean to intone that these sources don't meet our standards, insofar as citing them as a reference. I meant that they are not subject to the same stringincies of precision and formality that an encyclopedia is. As several users have commented here, a third opinion, as I understand it, is not applicable. Do you think a request for comment would be helpful here? Joefromrandb (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Joefromrandb; I have no objections to any thing that would help nor with the final decision/vote we have. And also I agree with Jeanne Boleyn and you in that she be refer to in the article as Teena Marie (although Brockert could probably be used in referring to her life before the recording studio).--Halls4521 (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

And thank you as well. I left a message at I Help, When I Can's talk page, and I'd like to hear their response before proceeding with any changes we might make. As strongly opposed as I am to using "Marie", this user seems to feel equally as strongly in favor of it. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Gonna pull out the text books and get the official Wikipedia policy on this one. I don't remember it, . I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 22:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm truly not trying to be a wise ass here, but in all seriousness, as I understand things there is no "offical Wikipedia policy", but rather guidelines that are to be tempered with common sense, and subject to the occasional exception. As I said above, Teena Marie's case is somewhat of an anomaly. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually , there is. WP:LASTNAME states that if a person uses a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, if they are unambiguous. Teena Marie isn't that complicated. It shall be "Marie". I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 23:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This is true...."...unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (i.e. Madonna, Snoop Dogg, The Edge, Annette, Jackée, etc.), in which case the whole pseudonym is used." The issue is whether Marie is a "recognizable surname", or not (otherwise we should probably use Teena Marie). --Halls4521 (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it is. It is used as such in several news stories over the years. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 00:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Marie was part of her stage name which happens to contain two separate first names, like the entertainer Rose Marie (Her article names her throughout as Rose Marie BTW). Marie was not used in lieu of her actual surname Brockert; using it in this article as if it were would not only provoke confusion in readers but would be blatantly inaccurate. Teena Marie leaves no room for confusion.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Who would it confuse? Doesn't confuse me. Doesn't confuse the readers of those other articles. That article (Rose Marie) not only brings up the "other stuff" arguement, but it has 3 sources, which attests to the article's quality. How would it be "blatantly inaccurate"? There are neither citations using her name as a whole tag nor stating that "Teena Marie" was a mononym. Yet, I have sources showing that Marie could be considered the last name in her stage name. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 19:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Those sources don't necessarily show that "Marie could be considered the last name in her stage name". The bottom line here is that it wasn't. I agree with Jeanne here, in that "Teena Marie" leaves no room for confusion. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

In subsequent uses of her name, they use "Marie" like a last name. You also, like I said earlier, have no sources to the other, but this is the least of the articles problems, so I will drop this argument. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 01:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Now that we all appear to be on the same page, are there any objections to moving forward here, referring to her as "Teena Marie" from 1979 onward? Joefromrandb (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

None at all.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done (sort of) The article now notes that she was born "Mary Christine Brockert", and went by "Tina Marie Brockert". It then refers to her as "Brockert" up until 1979, from which point it refers to her as "Teena Marie". I should note that this article still needs a lot of work. Hopefully this is a start. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

To clarify (not to open up old wounds), I do not agree. I just think that the issues with this article are way beyond the name used and maybe we should go back to those issues before dealing with this one. The final decision can be made in review. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 02:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

"This one" has now been settled. By all means, if you can improve this article, please do. If what you're saying is that you once again object to the agreed upon name, perhaps it would be better to adress that at one of the noticeboards. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

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