Talk:Terminator (franchise)

Question to the authors:

In the section "Novelization" I have found the following:

• Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines novelization by David Hagberg (2003)
  • T3: Terminator Dreams by Aaron Allston (2004)
  • T3: Terminator Hunt by Aaron Allston (2005)

So, who was the author of dilogy? Was it David Hagberg or Aaron Allston?

Thanx in advance, --91.193.164.246 (talk) 09:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

• the novelization of the film was written by David Hagberg. in the following two years, a pair of 'sequel' works expanding on themes from the film and novelization were published, written by Aaron Allston. 65.123.159.131 (talk) 20:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Missing characters

The Cast section for this artical appears to be missing some vital characters from the various Terminator films. Tarrisa Dyson from Terminator 2: Judgment Day and Star from Terminator Genisys. I will be adding these characters to the cast list at my next oportunity. If anybody has any objections to this, feel free to reply to this section or leave a message on my talk page at Zucat (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2014 (UTC). Thank You :)

In addition, can I suggest a new article to create a list of characters for other characters, call List of Terminator (franchise) characters, paralleling List of Back to the Future characters, for characters like Miles Dyson, Kate Brewster, etc.?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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"Official" title

Despite what MovieWeb and DreadCentral claim — WP:FRINGE views completely unsupported by Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, the Los Angeles times or any other RS source — a name in a piece of promotional material doesn't necessarily mean the official title. The promo can be referring to the franchise or may be shorthand because "Untitled Terminator sequel" looks awful in a promo. Lets wait until an unquestionably RS source report this.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Terminator is now in production

http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3502383/first-look-linda-hamilton-now-filming-terminator-sequel/

It also appears that Terminator is the name being used for the film. Given the policy for films is that films only get articles once they officially enter production, should we be giving this film an article now? Gistech (talk) 14:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

T-800/850 Model 101 in Terminator 3 not included in the Cast and crew table

Shouldn't the T-800/850 Model 101 (Arnie) be included in the Cast and crew table for Terminator 3 ? QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Cast table

An IP editor and myself recently had some disagreements regarding changes in the cast table. A discussion was underway at the editor's talk page, but they haven't responded back, and I'm curious to hear other opinions. These are the areas of disagreement:

• The editor wants to list Schwarzenegger's character as "Terminator (Model 101) T-800 / T-850 / Pops / Carl". That's a mouthful. I believe it would be better to list him as "Terminator/Model 101/T-800". Those are the only names used consistently. The others ("T-101", "Pops/Guardian", and "Carl") are only used in one film each and could be explained in a note.
• The editor keeps capitalizing the word "endoskeleton" for a T-800 in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It's currently written, in italics, as "CGI Endoskeleton only". I'm actually not sure that should even be there if it's just the metal endoskeleton, since the cast table is for actors who portrayed the characters. I'm not sure it should be italicized either.
• The editor is apparently against specifying Marcus Wright as a "cyborg", despite this being the term that is used at the Terminator Salvation page. Instead, the editor keeps restoring "Infiltration Prototype" to describe Marcus, but I'm not sure that adequately describes him, or if it's even an official name that is used in the film (if not, it should at least be lowercased). Also, "Augment" is currently used to describe Grace in the cast table. I think that's vague, but the editor is apparently against wiki-linking to human augmentation.
• The editor wants to include some minor characters solely on the basis that they appeared in more than one film, even though they are unimportant to the plot. Specifically, the editor wants to include the unnamed punks who appeared at the beginning of The Terminator and Terminator Genisys, as well as some minor Terminator machine characters who briefly appeared in those films. Regarding the latter characters, the editor has them listed as Model 102, a name that is not mentioned in the films. And they're both listed in the cast table as if they're supposed to be the same character, despite looking different and being credited under different names.
• The editor wants to keep Lieutenant Matias and Detective Cheung in the cast table, but these characters seem minor to me.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  AJFU  (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@MacCready: Can you explain why you reverted some of the changes I proposed above? Also, the info regarding O'Brien in the first film has been reverted multiple times.  AJFU  (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@AJFU: The information regarding O'Brien was reverted initially because I neglected to include specifications showing them to be the same character. The character of O'Brien is a retroactive inclusion, but an inclusion nonetheless, notable as of Genisys. It took me quite a while to determine which characters corresponded with which actors from the original The Terinator film with regards the identification of O'Brien. Similarly, the punks, while minor characters, are notable in terms of their return and serving as the first show of force of the original Terminator character, being quite an iconic scene from the film. I didn't link to human augmentation because that is a character element, not a character link. Similarly, Infiltration Prototype is the in-universe descriptor for Marcus Wright; he is by definition a "cyborg", but that is not his designation. As this is a Terminator franchise page, not merely for the films, official tie-in material names can and should be used (for example, with regards the title and first name of Sergeant Hal Vukovich). Lowercase titles are not used in cast table descriptors unless the lowercase is specifically put as such in the source material. Thank you for pinging; if you have any additional inquiries, be sure to get back to me. MacCready (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@MacCready: I still have further comments. It took me quite a while to determine which characters corresponded with which actors from the original The Terinator film with regards the identification of O'Brien. This sounds like original research to me. As far as I can tell, no sources have bothered to make the connection between O'Brien and the unnamed cops in The Terminator. Wikipedia only states what has already been published in reliable sources. If sources don't mention it, neither does Wikipedia. Plus, Harrison is uncredited, and it's still not clear (at least to me) which of those cops is supposedly O'Brien. This seems like trivia that would be on a fansite. And aside from the two initial reverts from other editors, I have also reverted this twice. I'm not sure that it should have been restored again while the discussion is ongoing.

The punk scene may be a notable one, but so are others. The cast table isn't there to include minor characters who appear in notable scenes that were then recreated in a later film. Minor characters don't belong in a section called "Principal cast". Merely reappearing in a subsequent film to serve the same purpose as before doesn't make them suddenly notable for the cast table, in my opinion. Also, in the films, there is no Model 102 Terminator, and there's no evidence that the ones seen in the original film and in Genisys are supposed to be the same. They're credited under different names. And they only appear for about a minute each. Again, minor characters.

I didn't link to human augmentation because that is a character element, not a character link. It was not presented as a character link. "Augmented human" was listed below the character's name. I doubt anyone reading "augmented human" would mistake that for her name. The point of the T-800's note was to prevent clutter. "Terminator (Model 101) T-800 / T-850 / Pops / Carl" is needlessly long. The common names should be sufficient. See also here regarding "(Model 101)".

As this is a Terminator franchise page, not merely for the films, official tie-in material names can and should be used (for example, with regards the title and first name of Sergeant Hal Vukovich) It is a franchise page, but the cast section is specifically for the films. And where is it stated that Vukovich's first name is Hal and that he's a sergeant?  AJFU  (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

He is called Hal by another character in the film itself, specifically by Paul Winfield’s Lieutenant Ed Traxler. Yes, the T-102s in both films aren't meant to be the same one, but they are both T-102s, which is the same principle behind Schwarzenegger’s different Terminators being listed in the one row. Additionally, one’s opinion doesn’t matter in this case. The space below character’s names are restricted for aliases, titles, and alternate names, and are not to be separately linked to non-character pages. MacCready (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Regarding "Hal": I know there's a scene where Ed tells him to shut up, but his dialogue there sounds like, "Hey, shut up," not "Hal, shut up." Is that what you were referring to? The credits just list him as "Vukovich". And the film doesn't say that he's a sergeant, so it's still unclear where that came from. Neither "Model 102" or "T-102" is used in the films. I know they're not the exact same individual, but what evidence is there that they are even the same model?

Regarding Schwarzenegger: until just recently, I never really paid attention to his character's many different names. I never even realized just how many of them there are. For the most part, I just thought he was "the Terminator." That's the name of the character's article, because it's clearly the most common name. However, I know "Model 101" and "T-800" are used to some extent too, hence the "Terminator/Model 101/T-800" suggestion. Is it really necessary to have every name listed there on the row when there's already a note to explain the less-common names? I think most people who are looking for "Pops" or "Carl" would immediately realize that they have found who they are looking for, once they see Schwarzenegger's name at the top of the cast table.

Additionally, one’s opinion doesn’t matter in this case. I assume this was in response to the punks. Isn't it your opinion that the punks should be included? Or is their inclusion here based on a Wikipedia guideline that says recurring characters should be included? The space below character’s names are restricted for aliases, titles, and alternate names, and are not to be separately linked to non-character pages. Is there a guideline that expressly forbids cast tables from linking to non-character pages? That seems incredibly specific, and I can't imagine why it would be prohibited. Also, do you have any further comment regarding the O'Brien issue?  AJFU  (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@MacCready: Perhaps I should have used ping in my last reply. I didn't think about it at the time. Anyway, do you still oppose my changes? If so, can you please explain why and also answer my other questions?  AJFU  (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

"Resistance (Terminator)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Resistance (Terminator). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 21#Resistance (Terminator) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jontesta (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)