Talk:The Cheetah Girls 2

Book Cover

On the book cover for The Cheetah Girls 2 it only says The Cheetah Girls 2 because it has NOT officially been announced that the surname will be "When In Spain"—The preceding unsigned comment was added by HD123 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC).

True. However, that is the cover of the book, and the article is about the movie. Accordingly, presenting the book cover on the article about the movie does not qualify as fair use: and that's the issue in play here. —C.Fred (talk) 22:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Family Channel airdate?

Do we know that Family Channel will get the movie for Canadian run one week after it runs on Disney? I don't see anything at Family Channel or the movie's web page to suggest that. —C.Fred (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Need new photo for the infobox

• What happened to the photo that was used for the infobox? We need a new one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.128.144.112 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC).

No need for Catfights; need for soundtrack article?

• I Don't think their is any need to mention the catfights between the girls. I just don't think it's needed. I do however think we need a new picture for the infobox and a page for the upcoming Cheetah Girls 2 soundtrack. If their is a soundtrack page for High School Musical, then their should be one for the soundtrack of Cheetah Girls 2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LAUGH90 (talk • contribs) .

• • The soundtrack article was deleted since, at this point, it is all speculative (other than the track listing). —C.Fred (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Their has been a soundtrack confirmed and I can include sources! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LAUGH90 (talk • contribs) .
  • The article already went to WP:AFD, and the result of the discussion was to delete the article. Nothing new has arisen, so I have recommended the article for speedy deletion. —C.Fred (talk) 00:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• I Just Want to let everybody know I put up the soundtrack page already with this source [1]. If the source dosen't work than please go to Amazon.com and type in "Cheetah Girls 2". I would appreciate it very much if you people didn't mess up all the hard work I put into it or erase it. Thanks.--LAUGH90 02:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I think it's close enough to release date that the article can stand. I mean, we have a listing at amazon now. —C.Fred (talk) 02:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• I would also like it if someone put up the album's photo for it's page to replace it with the other one I put up.Thanks!--LAUGH90 02:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Disney's dropped the subtitle, but let's wait and see what the release title is?

So, IMDB confirms the deletion of the subtitle (i.e. The Cheetah Girls 2: When in Spain). We've got a redirect from The Cheetah Girls 2 to here; I'm inclined to say wait and see what the release title is and after it's released and formally named, then worry about correcting the article title. Make sense? —C.Fred (talk) 23:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• When Raven-Symoné was on Total Request Live she said that she was working on The Cheetah Girls 2: When In Spain. That was very recent and I believe that the subtitle has not been officially dropped. – SilverBulletx3_talk^{contributions} 15:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Oh, snap!
• its official. When the movie was released there was no subtitle. Jtervin 01:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The Cheetah Girls 3, or TV Series

Disney has to make up their mind about whether or not, they should make a third movie, or film a series. With the ratings on Friday night from the premiere, we definetly know that Disney has more in store for the Cheetah Girls. It's obvious that there will be more, because they couldn't just drop something with such record setting ratings. So will they make a show or another movie. If you find any information, put in on The Cheetah Girls 3, The Cheetah Girls (TV Series), or The Cheetah Girls News article sites. We need more information about the next movie, or series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msteal2342 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC).

Let's not go creating articles before we have verifiable information to put in them. The Cheetah Girls 3 is up for deletion, and rightfully so, because all that's in there right now is speculation from the actresses. The Cheetah Girls News is an ill-formed article title with an ill-concepted article, IMHO; it's proposed for deletion. Since they've shot some episodes of the TV series already, that article should exist. So, keep the information where it is on topic: the article about the film if it relates to the film—and sequel talk can go here while it's still talk—or the TV series. —C.Fred (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. JPD (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The Cheetah Girls 2: When in Spain → The Cheetah Girls 2 – Since the movie was released, it's pretty clear that there was no subtitle attached to the movie, so we now have the definitive name. The article still lives in a name with a subtitle attached to it during development. While the move seems pretty non-controversial, it is obstructed, since edits were made to the The Cheetah Girls 2 article which prevent it being deleted. Hence I bring the matter up here for discussion, per due process at Wikipedia:Requested moves. —C.Fred (talk) 14:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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• Support TJ Spyke 18:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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Trivia

The current list of trivia items is quite impressive, but there may be a problem with the last one.

First, though, on the broadcast of 'The Cheetah Girls in Concert' (taped 30 July at Disney's California Adventure and televised 22 Sept.), one of the 3 touring members (as opposed to singing or guest members) mentioned that the Cheetahs were in Barcelona for three months, not two, as stated on the current page for the film.

Now, in the last performance of the movie, Adrienne's character, Chanel, specifically shouts to the audience, "Barcelona! Help me bring out mi amiga Cheetah, Marisol!" where in it does it say that Marisol is their newest member? It hardly implies anything beyond Belinda Peregrín or her character being a guest member.

In which case, though Belinda Peregrín sang with the Cheetahs in that performance and in the performance of "A La Nanita Nana", I don't think it makes her a 5th member or even a movie member, as the pagewriter characterizes her role on the page of 'The Cheetah Girls (girl group). Unless she is with the Cheetahs in the next movie, she is no more or less than a guest member, a feature vocalist with the 4 girls.

That brings me to the subject of Raven. She is a singing member, and she has sung with the other 3 members. What she isn't is a touring member. Her last appearance with the other 3, that I know of, was 23 August on the ABC morning show Good Morning America. The film was due to have its first telecast 2 days later, and this was obviously one live performance she could not stay away from. It remains to be seen if she is a studio member as well as a soundtrack member. She did not join the girls on the Cheetah-licious Christmas album, and one wonders if she will join them on any of the tracks for the next non-soundtrack album, due to be released in mid-2007. In any case, she is still an original member of the group, until she turns in her spots and makes it official. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CookyMonzta (talk • contribs) 04:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC).

Number One: Her CHEETAH friend (amiga cheetah) which implies that she is an honary Cheetah Girl more than a guest member. THIS DOES NOT MEAN that she will go and live in NY with the other Cheetahs just that if she is a member and when there together they are together they sing together.

And as for number two and the whole Raven is a member thing just check out this video: * Video: 9/06 Interview on myfoxla.com. That proves she is NOT NOT NOT part of the singing group! 69.47.130.72 20:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

An honorary artist and a guest artist are one and the same, and are as synonymous with a feature artist on someone else's hit single. Belinda was a feature artist on the Cheetahs' song "Amigas Cheetahs", just as was the guy singing in "Strut". It was quite obviously a foregone conclusion that neither Belinda nor the character she plays would be a full-fledged new member. To list her as a movie member (alongside Raven) is illogical.

Once more, I saw that FOX LA interview with the 3 touring members, twice. It did not conclude or prove anything. If Raven were not a member, in part or in full, she would not have shown up on GMA 2 weeks beforehand or recorded with the other 3 on both soundtrack albums. Consider this: She was undoubtedly the FIRST person chosen by Deborah Gregory and/or Disney in 2002 to play in the first movie. She didn't need to be given a contract, alongside the other 3 (which was done in 2005, just before the touring members' Christmas album), to be anointed as a member. Fans and viewers were addressing this quartet (the real singers, not their characters) as Cheetah Girls (Raven included) the sooner the first soundtrack went on sale in 2003.

I stand by my assertion that, although Raven does not tour with them, she is a member of this group, the only one who so far has had the power to get them to gold, platinum and double-platinum (check the sales). You notice that she has not officially quit (in which case, she will definitely not be a member), and Deborah and Disney have not officially sought a replacement for 2007 or 2008. That pretty much explains why the touring trio are still a trio; otherwise they'd have had a new 4th member to take Raven's place. QED.

Conclusion: You cannot be a member and not be a member simultaneously. If she were not a member, of the original quartet, the soundtrack quartet or the touring group, she'd have been replaced. Raven will be back at some point, most certainly when the time comes to shoot the 3rd movie. At the moment, she is a member, though only a soundtrack member and not a touring or studio member. I'm still willing to bet that something will bring her around. Even one tour performance with all 4 original members will change Raven's limited membership status. That's the key word here; limited.

One must commend Adrienne (lead singer of 3LW) for holding it together while Raven's not around. Otherwise, Raven assumes the lead, almost single-handedly. Check the tracks on the soundtrack albums (especially the songs that appeared in both movies), and you'll see and hear why Raven's contribution to the Cheetahs dominates over whatever the touring 3 alone could have done without her. Only the songs which included Raven made the Radio Disney top 20. Which goes to show, so far, together, they can; apart, they don't. And by the way, despite selling out at various venues (which shows the fans' appreciation and commitment to the franchise. not necessarily the trio itself), fans are still whispering "Where's Raven?" That tells you more about the leadership of this group than you need to know.

Movie and soundtrack member? Yes. Original member? Definitely yes. Leading member? Absolutely! Touring member? Studio member? Full-time member? No. But a member nonetheless. When she officially announces that she has quit outright, and is formally replaced, only then will she not be a member. -CookyMonzta

Ok Fine, take Belinda off the Trivca thing but that STILL does not make Raven a member. In that interview Addrienne CLEARLY says "Us three are the singing group". THAT MEANS RAVEN IS NOT! She has said before that The Cheetah Girls are important to her but she doesn't want to actually sing with them because she wants a solo carrer. That means that in the movie Raven IS a member and in the group SHE IS NOT!! Also, the reason for those apperances on GMA is because they are PROMOTIONG THE MOVIE NOT THE GROUP! Raven is in the movie, not in the group so they talk about THE MOVIE! And The REAL group makes apperances all the time on talk shows without Raven because..Oh wait I know this one! SHE IS NOT IN THE (bleep)ING GROUP!!! Jtervin 12:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Screaming and shouting will not change the dubious nature, of the group as it stands, or the explanation that Adrienne gave (which is the only time she used that explanation for Raven's absence). Nor do I intend to get into a shouting match with you.

Take a look at this: http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15520359.htm In this article, Raven explains why she does not tour with the group. She doesn't want her solo career to be typecast by the character she plays in this series. It is an explanation I don't exactly buy, because she never had that explanation before, and also due to rumors and reports from the Web that Raven and Kiely don't get along that well; and that may be one of the main reasons she doesn't tour with them.

http://seattlepi.com/pop/285143_nightlife15.html In this article, another explanation for Raven's absence, which is a valid one because the girl is obviously very busy.

http://seattlepi.com/ae/285426_cheetah18q.html Third-to-last paragraph, and next-to-last paragraph. No mention of her not being an actual member. As a matter of fact, no one ever mentioned this on any occasion before the MyFoxLA interview. The overwhelming explanation given was that she has been too busy with other projects to tour or record with the group outside of the movie projects. As a matter of fact, Raven's contract with Hollywood Records (which she signed in 2003) is separate from the other 3 (which they reportedly signed in 2005, for the Christmas album). Raven's contract allows her to pursue her other projects without being tied down by her commitment to the Cheetah Girls, save one: The TV, movie and soundtrack projects.

Does this prove that she is not a member? No. It only proves that she does not record or tour with them on any outside projects. Whether she is in the group or not is irrelevant, because we know she is not. It is the nature of her membership that presents a paradox. Unfortunately, it is always temporary, short-term or long term, because we know she will obviously be back, by mid-2008, for the 3rd movie and whatever projects are related to it. All 4 established their membership the moment they were chosen in 2002 to play the roles in the first movie, for which Raven was the first one chosen. Since they all could sing, they were recognized as a real group the sooner the first soundtrack went gold. It is now double-platinum. None have officially quit or been dismissed; that much is certain.

The group as it stands may consist of the 3 touring members; unfortunately, this trio has yet to clearly distinguish itself from the original quartet. Their most popular songs all came with Raven in the group! Check the Radio Disney list under Cheetah Girls (girl group), and you'll see what I mean. Better yet, check the back of both soundtrack albums. On every song the quartet sing, they are listed as the Cheetah Girls. Period. Not Raven and the Cheetah Girls. Once more, their 2 soundtrack albums have gone double-platinum and (soon to be) gold. Guess who was front and center on both albums?! The trio sold only 131,000 of their Christmas album. One wonders if that number would have doubled, or tripled, if Raven had been there; and one wonders how they will fare without her on their next album, due in mid-2007. Cover tunes will not cut it, if I heard correctly that they will record Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun". [Don't think Raven has had an easy time as a solo artist. Three albums, none even close to gold. Her 4th comes out on Halloween.]

Deborah Gregory (the group's creator) and Disney have no problem with the dubious nature of this group's membership. If they did, they would have made it so on the back of the 2nd soundtrack album, separating Raven's name from the group on each track they sing. Therefore, I stand by every assertion I have made on this page, because of this group's dubious nature. With the success of this group almost entirely due to Raven's participation, and the fact that she has not yet made clear whether she is in or out, one cannot concede Raven's non-membership (certainly, the fans have not) until she officially quits or is formally replaced.

Until then, this group has two versions of itself: The touring and non-soundtrack group (or traveling squad, if you prefer), and the original group; namely, the soundtrack and movie group. Again, Raven's contract affords her the option to stay away, or rejoin the group at any point, including the promotion of the 3rd movie. [Don't think I missed the fact that she was on GMA on 23 August to promote the movie. In fact, I mentioned it at the top of this 'Trivia' segment. That was one appearance she had to make with the other 3; and if I remember correctly, that wasn't the only one, although this was the only one that I know of where she sang with them.]

To my knowledge, Raven is not the first to remain a member and not tour with a group full-time (which makes the group's status a dubious one). In this case, she is an inactive member (remember; she has not quit), unless she has been in discussion with Deborah and Disney top brass on the direction the Cheetahs should take with their next project, movie or otherwise. Of course, she is a co-executive producer, and one certainly cannot say that she was never a member. She would be better classified as a soundtrack member, since she has recorded the more popular tunes (all related to the 2 movies) with the other 3. -CookyMonzta

Ok so what u just basically said was that Raven is not in the group and that Galleria Garibaldi is in the group. There have been many reports from Raven even saying that she is NOT in the group. And so the character that Raven plays is in the group and that's why she does not tour with them. U have ur opinion about wheater or not she should be listed as the group member bit I have a direct statement from Addrienne and nobody else is complaining about my edit so it will remain as it is. Jtervin 21:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. You are jumping the gun. When I mentioned the two versions of this group, I was referring to the touring trio and the original quartet, the real singers, not their characters (Galleria or any other); and it is not like you have told me anything new, because you haven't.

Like I said before, Raven is an inactive member (my referral to her as a soundtrack member was obviously redundant, since you have referred to her as a movie member). I still think she should be referred to as such, as opposed to the active members on tour now (I can provide an example of what it would look like, if you prefer), because she has not given us the only word that matters as to her definitive or permanent (though dubious) status with the group, even for the 3rd movie: in or out? She gave the movie, the soundtrack, the franchise and even the trio itself a push. So, she backs away and lets the trio preserve the franchise, while she is busy elsewhere, until the next time she is called upon to participate. And what of the 3rd movie? Will she be back to participate or not? That is what currently defines her membership here.

Or did you not read of my paradox? We know she is not in the group; certainly right now. We can see that. But she never told us if she was going to leave the group, permanently, movies, soundtrack and all. She only tells us, as the Wichita Eagle put it, she had to "back away" from the group. Unfortunately, her contribution on both soundtracks played more of a role in making this group than the trio itself could have done. Again, a paradox that will most likely prove itself once more, when the third movie and soundtrack are ready. Again, it is the dubious status of her membership that is at issue; not whether she is in the group at present. I think I made that clear at the very beginning of this debate. [By the way, another reporter referred to Adrienne, Sabrina and Kiely as the touring group. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060925/review_nm/review_music_cheetah_dc. Again, one needs to clarify who are the active members and who is the inactive member. If Raven were to quit outright (movies and all), she'd be a certified former member. I'm surprised you or anyone else who has edited the 'girl group' page hasn't brought up that issue yet. Again, her stauts is still in question.]

I am not here to get personal, but have you anointed yourself an official keeper of the Cheetah Girls pages at this site? Are you a Cheetah Girls fan? I am a fan of what they could become. [Need a hint? See The Monkees' Wikipedia page, and pay close attention to the list of hits and chart positions.] Unfortunately, I think they need Raven to get there. As a matter of fact, they need each other. -CookyMonzta

No I mean I really like The Cheetah Girls but I have not said I was the official keeper although I guess I could be. Anyways Raven has done nothing excpet soundtracks and things for THE MOVIES with the girls which leads me and others to believe that she is only in the franchise for the movies. Jtervin 01:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, J, it appears that Raven is the franchise. This thing started with her, and it could end with her. The trio could not muster more than 131,000 for Christmas without Raven. But on the other hand, Raven as a solo artist has not sold more than 400,000 copies of her first 3 albums combined! They need each other, but I think the group needs Raven a little more, especially if they want to be the third group to go from fiction to reality and have a top-10 song on the Hot 100. It would help if they (with or without Raven) got some serious songwriters to target the 15-24 crowd, yet still keep it clean for those who are half that age range, because the mainstream does not take them seriously yet. They would have banked on them big-time, if Raven were in for the long haul, and not just visiting to rally the fans. They actually remind me of TLC.

That is why I said that one should commend Adrienne for her commitment to the Cheetahs, in Raven's long absence. She and Kiely could have taken a lot more time off from the Cheetahs to deal with her other group, 3LW. Rumor has it that she once considered jumping ship because Raven wasn't around to carry this group. I think that Deborah and Disney knew, in 2002, how extremely busy Raven would be to commit fully to the Cheetahs. That is why they are lucky to have another experienced lead singer in this group, to be the lead singer if Raven should be unable or unwilling to make appearances with this group.

Raven's 4th solo album hits stores on Halloween. If it goes gold (which I'm not so sure about), I hope she doesn't get the idea that they don't hold a candle to her. But if she tanks by Christmas (we'll know by then), one wonders if she'll consider rejoining the group in the studio in January. I doubt it, though, and I wonder if anyone in the group (except maybe Adrienne) will want her there.

The group's album is likely to be released by mid-2007 (between May and July). If they go gold and Raven does not, Raven's limited membership (as movie/soundtrack member) could be at stake. They may challenge her membership, and decide that they want a permanent (full-time) replacement to play Galleria in the 3rd movie and tour with them. Dangerous move to force the biggest name in the franchise out. When Smokey left the Miracles, they tanked. When Diana left the Supremes, they tanked.

If Raven and the trio both tank, the first song they recorded as a group will make even more sense now than it did in the first movie: Together, they can. Apart, they won't. They'd better resolve their differences and whatever lingering turmoil they may have with one another, before production on the 3rd movie begins.

Until then, I must repeat, it appears right now that Raven holds sway over the destiny of the Cheetahs. Whether their latest album releases changes that remains to be seen. Deborah Gregory (who created this group in 1999 and assembled the original quartet in 2002) has no problem with the group (the trio) as it is right now, but will it be a problem for all of the original 4 (the alleged catfights that some Web sites speak of) by the time the 3rd movie is ready for production? [This is starting to become way too long. Is there anywhere else at Wikipedia that this issue can be discussed?] -CookyMonzta

Actually I believe that Deborah Gregory does not feel that Raven is a real Cheetah Girl because in the final Cheetah Girls book in the series she gave special thanks to "The Cheetah Girls; Addrienne, Kiely, and Sabrina." That seems like she does not like Raven or she does not think of her as a real cheetah. Just sayin'. Jtervin 00:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I never got to the 16th book in the series. So, her thanks to the trio, I did not know about. Her response to my inquiry was, 'No; Raven does not tour as the Cheetah Girls; she likes to tour by herself; but it doesn't seem to take away from the whole thing, which is good.' What you just told me insinuates what I've been thinking all along: that if Deborah really does have a problem with Raven and/or her limited membership (movie and soundtrack), and the rumors of turmoil between Raven and any of the other 3 are true, there could be a situation that may lead to a replacement (which is definitely not good), before the 3rd movie goes to production. I believe Deborah has the power to change the lineup, since she created this group. The real group may be the result of her fictional group, but it is still her group nonetheless. -CookyMonzta

Everybody denies those rumors but they could still be true and Raven could still be replaced. Jtervin 21:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. The reason of course being that the other 3 (by touring) have contributed more to keeping the Cheetahs in the spotlight. Unfortunately, Raven has an ace up her sleeve: Her presence on the 2 soundtracks (double-platinum and gold) and in both movies (ratings were 6.5 million and 7.82 million viewers, respectively) have done more to sell the group, with or without her. Without her presence on last year's Christmas album, they barely cracked 100,000. Like I said, Raven appears to hold sway over the group's destiny. She plays the lead singer of the fictional group, she is the lead singer (on most of the tracks) of the real group. That's going to be hard for top brass to ignore.

But if Deborah or Disney do have any consideration to replace her, they're going to have to find someone 20 to 23, who is as popular, if not more popular, who can fill Raven's shoes, play Galleria in the next movie and tour with the group. That is going to be a very hard sell, considering Raven's involvement (limited or otherwise) with the Cheetahs since August or September, 2002. The fans are just as attached to her (maybe even more so), even in her absence, as they are with the 3 who are on tour now.

Raven's 4th solo album (From Then Until...) hits the racks on Halloween. Her last album sold 250,000. Her 3 solo albums combined amount to 385,000. She was dropped from MCA after 2 albums. With her status as a Cheetah Girl a dubious one at the moment, if she doesn't get any closer to gold with this one, she might find herself faced with the possibility of being dropped as a solo artist, and will have to choose between rejoining the Cheetahs or be dropped from Hollywood/Disney Records altogether, and be permanently replaced in the group, movies and all.

She wouldn't be the first to have her solo career derailed like this. En Vogue's Terry Ellis took a solo break (1995), and flopped, before rejoining En Vogue, who went double-platinum in 1997 with the hit "Don't Let Go", before Dawn Robinson went solo and flopped terribly in 2003. Tionne 'T-Boz' Watkins from TLC put out several solo and collaborative tracks, and none made the R&B top 10. Members of the Spice Girls managed to go to number 1 in the U.K. with several solo tracks, but when last I checked, none could maintain their solo careers at that level. There are many who have had stellar careers as leading group members, but tanked in the solo department. [To be continued in 'Cheetah Girls (girl group)' discussion area.] -CookyMonzta

Taglines

It's About to Get Wild... CHEETAH STYLE!" (Canadian)

Strange. I never heard this one on the telecast. If it was part of the Canadian telecast, will it be on the DVD? I assume it was in a scene that was never televised in the U.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CookyMonzta (talk • contribs) 19:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC).

The question is, have you seen all the commercials? Since likely the tagline came up in the ad rather than the movie, what with it being a tagline. —C.Fred (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The movie promos, you mean? My bad. I don't think I caught them all. But then again, if that phrase was attributed to a Canadian promo, I wouldn't have seen it, anyway. I come from NYC. -CookyMonzta

Cast

The character last name for Belinda and Kim Manning's characters is Durán. Belinda's character is Marisol Durán and Kim manning plays her mother, Lola Durán. If I'm not mistaken, Abel's character's name is spelled Luc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CookyMonzta (talk • contribs) 04:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC).

Do you have a source for Marisol and Lola's last name? IMDB does back you up on the spelling of Luc. —C.Fred (talk) 00:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I do. I watched the English and Spanish versions of Cheetah Girls 2, televised in mid-September, and clearly the name Durán comes up, in the dialogue and the English and Spanish captions at the bottom of the screen. In fact, the manager of the Barcelona singing contest calls Lola "Señora Durán" when he confronts her for having arranged for the Cheetahs to get paid at the club to force them out of the contest. -CookyMonzta

Raven's final project as a Cheetah Girl

This movie, and its corresponding soundtrack, represent Raven's final projects as a recording member of the Cheetah Girls. She has officially quit the group. There will be no Cheetah Girls 3 for her.

Go to 'The Cheetah Girls (girl group)', and read my entry in the Discussion Area.

-CookyMonzta (4 Nov. 2006)

Cooky Monzta, U need to see this! Cheetah Girls concert WITH Raven on Dec. 3172.165.165.192 04:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure?? I read that Newsweek article, from Oct. 9, and it looked bluntly obvious that she was not about to have anything more to do with the Cheetahs. What on Earth made her change her mind?? -CookyMonzta (9 Nov. 2006)

I just saw the post and the Shreveport newspaper article that it points to. I must say that I am not exactly convinced that Raven herself has confirmed that she will be there, this time. Of course they will mention her as one of the singers in the group, because she is part of the original group. But do they know that she has never toured with the group? They didn't exactly confirm whether she will definitely join them or not.

When Raven is on that stage (and anyone who is there can tell me this), only then will I be convinced. -CookyMonzta (9 Nov. 2006)

I heard that Raven has been busy with several other projects (including That's So Raven, which is over soon). Due to this she hasn't been able to participate in most Cheetah Girls related publicity. This question has been addressed in several Cheetah Girls interviews outside of Disney Released material, including an interview on the Regis and Kelly show a few months ago. There are rumors flying around that there will be a series released about the Cheetah Girls, with Raven excluded with the story saying she moved to Barcelona with her mother who chose to peruse a career in fashion design. Several people have been rumored to be a replacement for Raven, including the third member of 3LW - which would be quite odd as if she joined it would be more like "3LW feat. Sabrina" more then "The Cheetah Girls." We'll see what is in store for our cheetah-licious growl power group. Let's hope the outcome is a third movie! Nine3001 09:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been saying that all along, that without Raven it is like 3LW Redux, either with Sabrina or with Jessica Benson (3LW's new 3rd member) or both. It is Raven who made the Cheetah Girls uniquely Cheetah, and apart from 3LW. Without her, it'll take someone else to take the Cheetahs in a direction that doesn't make them appear to be 3LW Redux, whether they sing Cheetah songs or otherwise.

One other thing: Rumor has it that the Cheetahs (the original 4) taped 4 episodes of their series in the summer of 2003, to be televised at the beginning of 2004. Raven's busy schedule (studio time for her album This Is My Time, her own show That's So Raven, and Princess Diaries 2, among other things) made it impossible for them to continue the series. Therefore it was canceled and never aired. One wonders if they will put all 4 of these episodes in a special Cheetah Girls DVD package (perhaps a limited-edition collection) that includes Cheetah Girls 1 and 2. -CookyMonzta (30 Nov., 12:52 A.M. E.S.T.)

Cheetah Girls 2 seen by over 21 million people

If you combine the first 4 airings of the movie, it adds up to over 21 million

• August 25th (premiere)- 7.8 million
• Saturday the 26th - 4.58 million
• Sunday the 27th- 4.90 million
• Wednesday the 29th- over 3 million

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.165.165.192 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC).

Where did you get the audience figures for the third and fourth airings, though? The first two are referenced; the last two are not. —C.Fred (talk) 18:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe I can help. In an E! Online News Article it says that the movie received over 17.4 million viewers in it's first three airings. The article source was on this article and i'll try to find it soon.72.94.46.117 20:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Las Cheetah Girls 2?

We've got a section on the Spanish translation that reads like ad copy. It's also written future tense, but the listed release date has passed. Does anybody have a verified airdate and where it aired (US/Latin America/Spain)? If so, let's put that in the release date sections. I also favor moving the translation errors down to Goofs: changing that section to "Errors and oddities" and putting the translation errors as a subhead. Does anybody disagree? —C.Fred (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Slumber Party Girls vs. Cheetah Girls

• I read in a Disney vs. Nickelodeon article that Nickelodeon and CBS are using the Slumber Party Girls (from "KOL Secret Slumber Party on CBS") are used to also compete with the Cheetah Girls and get their audience. I'll find the article soon but what do you think? They are releasing their own album right now and just like the Cheetah Girls, they'll be recording a debut album as well, released in 2007.72.94.46.117 20:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

See my response in the discussion area for 'Cheetah Girls (girl group)'. -CookyMonzta (13 Nov.)

Mexico airdate

I put a {{dubious}} tag on the airdate for Mexico. I find it odd that the Italian version—dubbed—will air almost a year before a Spanish version will air in North America. This is doubly odd since a Spanish dub will be available on the DVD in a little over a week. Can somebody give the URL for the source where they saw the Mexico airdate of 12/1/07? —C.Fred (talk) 23:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cfred: the actual airdate for the Cheetah Girls 2 in Mexico is December 3 2006, they will air the first one Friday the 1. You can see a video interview with Belinda (marisol) where she talks about it, and an article feautured in the mexican Newspaper Reforma. (they are both in spanish) video: Belinda Presents TCG2 in mexico

Sorry I can't show you the article on wich they talk about it, for you have to be suscribed to the newspaper in order to see it online.

Plus, if they do the same they did with HSM, they will launch a mini-site in their webpage for the movie one or two weeks before the premiere (disneylatino.com, click Disney Channel) Hope this was helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.146.191.146 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC).

That works for me. I assumed it was 12/3/06 and not '07, but I didn't want to change it based on an assumption. There's no way I'll be able to pick out any usable content from the interview, so I'll take your word on it. I did find Disney Latino, but there's nothing yet on the Mexico section of the site. Probably, when it gets closer, there will be something obvious on the front page...which will help, since I don't know how to say "search" in Spanish. :) —C.Fred (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they don't have anything yet, but they will probably do by the end of the month, about the intertview, towards the end, the reporter says "La pelicula se transmitirá en nuestro país a partir del 3 de diciembre por televisión de cable" wich means: "the movie will air in our country starting december 3 on cable television"

Btw, "search" in spanish is "buscar" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.146.191.146 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

There is new info about the mexico premier at the disneylatino.com webpage in "disney channel" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.146.170.152 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC).

What is the new info? —C.Fred (talk) 23:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The Cheetah Girls DVD

There was a DVD extra ending. If you have seen it, it might help to put it in the article. I heard it has something to do with Channel's Mom's wedding. Just an idea. -Manatee lover 16

There is. The girls sing "Cherish The Moment" at the wedding. -CookyMonzta (4 Dec., 2:35 A.M. E.S.T.) -So we should add that!- Manatee Lover 16

The movie was fantastic. I just hope the 3RD movie is as good. But if raven is not in the movie . It will upset fans all over the world if they raplace her with another girl Not only will the movie go down the drains but Also the real cheetahs might not make it for a very long time after the movie comes out.the fans will watch the movie once and never watch it again and the soundtrack of the movie wont sell either .I wont waste my money user:(someone8485)

Cheetha Girls 3 with no Raven

Cheetha Girls might have a number 3 but this time wtih Marisol and not Raven this is because Raven says she is done with Disney.

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