Talk:The Cremaster Cycle

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I've added a few screenshots to the article. They are all taken from the Cremaster 3 DVD. I am aware that the 'copyrighted screenshot category' specifies that there only be one of these images per article, but I believe that since there are 5 movies discussed within this article, it is still fair use to have more than displayed. Worst case, we can split up the cycle article into the different sections, keep the images and it would become an incentive to add information to the various sections of the cycle. -- Blahm 15:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Order

These films were released in a 'random', non-sequential order. I imagine that it would be prudent to list them in the initial release order rather than the current sequential order. --Thaddius 05:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal of "needs infobox" tag

This article has had its infobox tag removed by a cleanup using AWB.

Any concerns please leave me a message at my talk page. RWardy 06:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is terrible and I think most of it is from the guy's own site. Sounds like the same voice anyway. Wikipedians, fix this terrible article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.107.61 (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

A lingering question

Where on earth did the money come from to produce this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.157.89 (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I know babra gladstone (of gladstone galley ny fame) put up the $ for one of them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.78.87 (talk) 14:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

He's married to Bjork.

self-enclosed?

Can someone please explain what "self enclosed aesthetic system" is supposed to mean? --24.85.68.231 (talk) 08:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I would expect it's how Barney described the work, but we'd need to find a quote and reference and then label it as such.

Ah, found it:

"Matthew Barney's epic Cremaster cycle (1994-2002) is a

self-enclosed aesthetic system consisting of five feature-length films that

explore the process of creation." "Matthew Barney: The Cremaster Cycle,"

GuggenheimGuide (Exhibitions/Programs, Guggenheim Museum), May-June 2003."

quoted here: http://www.aristos.org/whatart/app-B-II.htm. I don't know if it's

definitive; you find a lot of quotes of this phrase throughout but no clear attribution.Zero sharp (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Mormons?

Why is this a part of the Latter-Day Saints project? What's the connection? 66.207.206.210 (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Apparently Cremaster 2 (1999) mentions the Mormons. I don't know if that means it needs to be in that project or not.--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 20:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Acutally I don't think it dose, so I'm removing it.--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 20:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Overview

The overview section is, to me, virtually unreadable psychobabble. Someone needs to rewrite it entirely. — Hex (❝?!❞) 05:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

agreed - it looks like its copied from an artist's statement or something - completely inappropriate language for wikipedia, since it is essentially meaningless

Copyright Violations

The explanations of each film in the series are directly copied from [1], the official page for the Cremaster series. I will be deleting them shortly... normally i would fix as opposed to just deleting, but this is alot an did I not have time to re-write 5 sections. --Found5dollar (talk) 17:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed confused reference

I've removed the following paragraph:

Beside other Artists Matthew Barney pays references to Johnny de Brest's dark Photo-Novel "Vladracul" (1991–1996). The Washington City Paper noted: Some of the man-monster creatures recall the films of Matthew Barney, and the lurid local-color details—Mina Harker gets gang-raped at Marlene Dietrich’s grave—suggest a concept album that David Bowie never got around to making during his Berlin phase. (A soundtrack of late-’70s Bowie, Iggy, and Eno would be apt.).

The initial sentence implies that Matthew Barney references "Vladracul". However, the quote (in context) merely states that "Vladracul" reminded the reviewer of Barney's work; the subsequent references to Mina, Marlene, Bowie, et al all refer to "Vladracul" and not to Cremaster, so are gratuitous in this article. This certainly does not demonstrate influence on Barney, and does not seem to demonstrate Barney's influence on de Brest either. Phil wink (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

References

Needs references?

The whole explication of the work is unreferenced. Shouldn’t it be? Otherwise is it original research? Eicatss (talk) 23:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)