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Requested move 11 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Consensus is not to move. (non-admin closure) wumbolo ^^^ 20:30, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim → Skyrim – per WP:NCVG, WP:SUBTITLES and WP:COMMONNAME, there is no need for disambiguation so the title should be concise. wumbolo ^^^ 12:43, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• While I would normally support this for COMMONNAME, I think including The Elder Scrolls helps set more context. That being said, is that more important that just pure COMMONNAME and conciseness? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose move. There's no need to fix what isn't broken, and "The Elder Scrolls V" is part of the title. ONR (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose move Per WP:NCVG#Games, bullet #5, which calls for consistency within the series. I'd also question if its long enough to fall under WP:SUBTITLES, which allows for shorter subtitled names. Technically, Skyrim is the subtitle, not The Elder Scrolls V. -- ferret (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per #5 at WP:NCVG#Games. Dumb to omit "The Elder Scrolls" from the title when every other game in the series has it. Just looks unprofessional. --The1337gamer (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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Skyrim released on another platform: Amazon Alexa

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D6STSX8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528811538&sr=8-1&keywords=skyrim+very+special — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:6D97:73F0:258D:B0A0:1E2:5ED6 (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

It's already mentioned under The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim#Marketing and release. It's not an actual platform of Skyrim itself though. -- ferret (talk) 13:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Mods sources

• Dekker, Jacob; Mahardy, Mike (June 30, 2016). "7 Skyrim Mods We Want in Skyrim Remaster". GameSpot. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Delahunty-Light, Zoe (January 9, 2017). "Completed Skyrim? Here's 11 epic story mods you should get hyped for". GamesRadar. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Delahunty-Light, Zoe (July 14, 2017). "33 mods you should download for Skyrim Special Edition on Xbox One, PS4 and PC". GamesRadar. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Hernandez, Patricia (October 28, 2016). "20 Mods You Should Get For Skyrim: Special Edition on Xbox One and PS4". Kotaku. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Iwaniuk, Phil (July 26, 2017). "How my quest for photorealism in Skyrim turned it into a much better game". PC Gamer. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Livingston, Christopher (February 2, 2017). "The best mods for Skyrim Special Edition". PC Gamer. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Livingston, Christopher; Hatfield, Tom; Papiz, Diana; 2017 (May 9, 2017). "The best Skyrim mods". PC Gamer. Retrieved August 31, 2017. {{cite web}}: |author4= has numeric name (help)
• Messner, Steven (May 8, 2017). "Inside the Skyrim sex modding community where almost no taboo is off limits". PC Gamer. Retrieved September 1, 2017.

USgamer Team (July 25, 2017). "The Best Skyrim Mods". USgamer. Retrieved September 1, 2017.

• USgamer Team (July 25, 2017). "Best Skyrim Mods for Xbox One". USgamer. Retrieved September 1, 2017.
• Walker, Alex (October 27, 2016). "One of the Best Skyrim Mods Got Started with a Punch to the Face". Kotaku. Retrieved September 1, 2017.

Dump from Skyrim mods, so they can perhaps be incorporated here (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 15:30, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Cosplay image

before he took an arrow in the knee

I find myself debating whether/when, if ever, a cosplay image makes sense to add to an article. Seems like it makes the most sense when content about "cultural impact" is well developed. Not sure here. Defaulting to the talk page since it's a GA and leaving it up to regular editors. Guy with the Helm of Yngol (I'm told) in a cosplay competition. FWIW :) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

• It works in "legacy" type sections, as long as the prose supports it. A good example would be in Dota 2's article. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

If they explained the joke, it would be fine. I understand it, but that's because i have played skyrim. Not everyone veiwing this article may have done the same. Dragonfyrecooldude (talk) 17:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

One of the greatest games of all time

It use to be that the intro section talked about Skyrim in the context of all video games, and mentioned that it was often in the short list of the greatest games of all time. I don't see that any more and I really think it needs to be re added to the intro section. It's 2015 and I don't see this game losing its luster any time soon. It is a masterpiece. However, I'm not going to highlight this in the intro without hearing the opinion of a couple other wikipediains on this. thanks.

I think it is one of the greatest :) Dragonfyrecooldude (talk) 17:28, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2019

In the modding section, i think there should be a mention of The Forgotten City mod, which is turned into a standalone game. Sk Asifur Rahaman (talk) 12:13, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 06:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

And say that the "anthropomorphic cat and lizard creatures" are actually known as khajiit and argonians, respectively Dragonfyrecooldude (talk) 17:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2020

The second paragraph of the page begins with the sentence, "The game's main story revolves around the player's character, the Dragonborn, quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world." The sentence's syntax is incorrect, notably in the awkward phrasing and misplaced modifier in "the player's character, the Dragon born, quest to...." It should be changed to either "The game's main story revolves around the player-character, the Dragonborn, as they quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world" or changed to "The game's main story revolves around the player-character's, the Dragonborn's, quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world." There are likely other fixes, but as it stands the use of the possessive for "players'" is awkward-sounding and mechanically incorrect. Ultraapple (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done. Somewhat reworded; "player's character" is fine in itself, but not when preceding "quest" as it was, so I simply added "...on their quest...". –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 20:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Alternative names that redirect here

This:

Extended content

A compilation package called The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Legendary Edition (Skyrim LE for short) was released on June 4, 2013. It contains the version 1.9 patch and the three expansions, along with the main game. On June 4, 2016, Bethesda announced The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Special Edition, a remaster for PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Windows. Commonly called Skyrim SE or SSE, it was released on October 28, 2016. Windows players who owned the original game and all of its downloadable content on Steam were offered the Special Edition for free. Since the release of Skyrim SE, the Legendary Edition has been commonly nicknamed "Oldrim".

was reverted to this:

Extended content

A compilation package called The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Legendary Edition was released on June 4, 2013. It contains the version 1.9 patch and the three expansions, along with the main game. On June 4, 2016, Bethesda announced The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Special Edition, a remaster for PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Windows.> It was released on October 28, 2016. Windows players who owned the original game and all of its downloadable content on Steam were offered the Special Edition for free.

with an edit summary of "Acronyms not necessary/unsourced."

I believe this should be un-reverted because the acronyms, etc., are overwhelmingly common among players of the games and modders, professional game reviewers, and others who write about them. Trivial facts like this are, per WP:V policy, only necessary to be verifiable not already verified before being included, unless they are controversial. There's nothing even faintly controversial about them. Finally, these all redirect here as alternative names, so it is actually necessary that they appear in the article somewhere, though of course they need not be in the lead section (and they were not). It takes literally seconds to find sources for these: "Skyrim SE" and "SSE" and "Oldrim" all in one page: [1] (and innumerable more like this); "Skyrim LE" [2],[3], etc. (takes a few extra moments to find, since a string search tends to bring up French material that has "... Skyrim le [some French noun here] ..." constructions). Please do at least half a minute of homework before reverting people as if they're vandals. Reversion is not an editing tool, it's a tool to undo outright damage and blatantly controversial material. You should know by now that it's generally perceived as hostile when you do it to the regulars, especially without cause, and especially without opening the "D" in WP:BRD. Please consider that WP:BEFORE is a general principle, and applies well to deletion of material within an article, not just entire article pages.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2020

186.95.201.42 (talk) 03:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Add Amazon Alexa in the platform(s) categori

 Not done: Not an actual version or port of the game, a joke module. -- ferret (talk) 13:31, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Mythology

The mythology in Skyrim is loosely based around nordic/norse mythology. The realm of the dead and the Hall of Valor is based on Valhalla, which is were fallen hero's and warriors go to in nordic mythology. The creatures and gods in the game are also based on norse mythology, such as giants, trolls, werewolves, vampires, and dragons. Along with this the gods have similar features to those in nordic mythos, such as one of them wielding a hammer similar to Thor, another wearing a crown with long curved horns like Loki, and the main god wielding a battle axe like Odin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danwetter (talk • contribs) 03:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• While this is all true (and pretty obvious anyway), Wikipedia is not the place for these types of discussions. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

by all means

let's not mention that the original skyrim and the LE are 32bit, severely limiting the game itself, and, more specifically, modding options, while the SE is 64bit. it might confuse people. --Snotty (talk) 06:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:GAMECRUFT, this article is not a guide for potential buyers. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

"Skyput" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Skyput. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 19#Skyput until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Rulforth (talk) 07:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Expanding and dividing 'Main Plot' into subsections

Should we divide the section into subsections like 'Alduin Storyline,' and 'Civil War Storyline?' Since those are the two main themes in the game. Not going to advocate adding any other theme (Eg. Faction questlines) since that can become a slippery slope real fast, and we still need to keep that section concise, but the complete exclusion of the civil war storyline isn't right for this game given that it's almost just as essential to the game as the Alduin one. LΞVIXIUS💬 21:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

• I'd say no, since that would be emphasizing more importance on in-universe information than it currently does, which should be avoided per WP:VG/PLOT. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Can you elaborate on how that would happen? LΞVIXIUS💬 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I support this. But I doubt it will go anywhere. You can be bold and try to add it yourself. However you must do it correctly and convincingly otherwise it'll be quickly reverted. Rulforth (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Special edition for free?

The citation says that was going to happen, but I don't think it actually did happen. Does anyone have a citation confirming it actually happened? Otherwise, that line should probably be removed. 2601:193:C401:1D00:70BD:97F7:46AB:3F0C (talk) 23:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

You mean for Steam for user who owned all the DLC already? Yes, it happened. -- ferret (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

"Fus Roh Dah" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Fus Roh Dah. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 30#Fus Roh Dah until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 23:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

FA to do list

• Add info about Shirley Curry
• Incorporate the (no doubt) forthcoming retrospective articles when published in November
• Review grammar, composition paragraph-by-paragraph
• Expand legacy section
• Expand reception to reflect continuous response to the game over a decade, maybe even separate these sets of critiques into "at launch/release" and "continuing response" (or something similar)

--Mainly 15:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

FA Status Ahead of 11.11.21

I have never pursued FA status for an article. Would achieving it for Skyrim be realistic between now and 11.11.21, for it to be featured on the main page that day?

Top of my head improvements that should be made to achieve FA status, other than the review process: 1. better "legacy" and "influence" information, 2. better "reception" for the game after re-releases and as its reputation has evolved, 3. and extreme scrutiny by copy-editors. -- Mainly 00:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@CR4ZE: @Ferret: @Bobfordsgun: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MainlyTwelve (talk • contribs) 00:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@MainlyTwelve: Pings don't work if you don't sign. Courtsey ping: @CR4ZE and Bobfordsgun. As for FA, I rarely partake in the process, but with a 7 year old GA it'd probably be best to do a peer review first to ensure it's still fully up to snuff for that. A fair amount has happened in seven years even for Skyrim. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know re: pings, I wasn't aware! Good point about the age of the GA, I will look into a peer review. I did some research last night and it does seem like a big effort getting through the amount that has been written between when the game's initial cycle of criticism and review ended and now. — Mainly 15:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate the ping as well. Funnily enough, the thought did cross my mind some months ago and I had it on the to-do list (admittedly quite far down) to return to Wikipedia and look into this article. I've barely touched it since taking it through GA... coming up to... eight years ago now (jeez, that's scary to think about). I'd like to think my editing practice and writing style has improved since then, and indeed the quality of the prose here is well below what I'd be capable of now. Do I think that going through an FA to get to TFA on 11–11–21 is feasible? Unfortunately, I'm not confident. There is a lot of work to do far beyond just prose; the article is quite out-of-date, with minimal retrospective commentary where there ought to be, plus sourcing and formatting issues. If you'd asked me three to six months ago, I'd have been 100% on board. With the pandemic in full force in my part of the world, and working/studying from home full-time, I don't know that I'd be much use, as much as I'd love to help.

Would it perhaps be more fitting, and an unironic continuation of the running theme, to look at a TFA for 11–11–22 instead? It just seems perfect. The same day Starfield drops, and 11 years to the day marking this one. Plus, we've removed the pressures of a tight deadline. I honestly think an 11-year anniversary for this specific date just sounds so much sexier. — CR4ZE (T • C) 16:01, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

11–11–22 sounds great...completely agree about it being too much work between now and 11–11–21. I've started collecting sources here: User:MainlyTwelve/skyrim fa? — Mainly 16:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Note on this effort: after a good amount of time on JStor, Google News/Scholar, and individual gaming news sites, I haven't found a large enough bibliography for me to feel it's a worthwhile effort to pursue FA status. If anyone wants to see the sources I've accumulated, they're here...no guarantees they don't already appear in the article. — Mainly 00:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Realizing after looking at that bib for the first time in a while that it looks substantial but those articles are mostly fluff or useless. — Mainly 00:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

updated main page

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.

The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The game is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.

Skyrim was developed using the Creation Engine, rebuilt specifically for the game. The team opted for a unique and more diverse game world than Oblivion's Imperial Province of Cyrodiil, which game director and executive producer Todd Howard considered less interesting by comparison. The game was released to critical acclaim, with reviewers particularly mentioning the character development and setting, and is considered to be one of the greatest video games of all time. However, it nonetheless received some criticism, particularly for its numerous technical issues present at launch. The game shipped over seven million copies to retailers within the first week of its release, and sold over 30 million copies across all platforms. Three downloadable content (DLC) add-ons were released—Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonborn—which were repackaged into The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Legendary Edition, which was released in June 2013. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Special Edition, a remastered version of the game, was released for Windows, Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in October 2016, which includes all three DLC expansions and a graphical upgrade, along with additional features such as modding capabilities on consoles. Versions for the Nintendo Switch and PlayStation VR were released on November 17th, 2017.