Talk:Eternals (film)

The sections about Pharos and Makkari in the plot needs to be expanded.

The plot currently reads as:

Hoping to delay the Emergence, the group reunites with the other Eternals. At Druig's residence in the Amazon rainforest, they are attacked by the Deviants and kill all of them except Kro, who kills Gilgamesh before fleeing. Phastos proposes the Uni-Mind, a connection between all the Eternals that would give Druig enough power to put Tiamut to sleep with his mind-control powers. However, Ikaris reveals that Ajak told him of the Emergence

It immediately jumps from the encounter with Druig in the Amazon and the death of Gilgamesh to Phastos coming up with the Unimind. It glosses over the other Eternals visiting Phastos at his home in Chicago, the introduction of his family (husband and son), or his unwillingness to help at first until he is convinced by his husband Ben.

This also skips over the introduction of Makkari and while her reintroduction is much shorter than the others it seems weird to not even mention it.

--Krysox (talk) 08:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The plot summary is at 685 words, only fifteen below the 700-word limit, and all these are unnecessary details for the whole of the plot. —El Millo (talk) 16:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Then why are similar details included for other characters? Pharos is literally not even introduced in the plot summary.

You could easily also remove the lines "After Sersi's partner Ikaris left her centuries earlier, she is now in a relationship with human Dane Whitman who works at the Natural History Museum."

and

"Dane professes his love for Sersi and is about to reveal a secret about his family history when she, "

Both details have significantly less impact on the plot than Pharos. Krysox (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Assuming you're referring to Phastos, it doesn't matter that he has impact on the plot, those details don't. That second quote you present is not very relevant to the plot, but we know it'll be relevant for the future of the MCU. If you can find a way to include it in 15 words or less, try it. But you'll probably won't be able to clarify he has a husband and a son, just saying "family". Be aware that that's also talked about at length in other sections. —El Millo (talk) 12:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

First name or last name?

I don't know about this, but why is Dane Whitman referred by his first name when the MCU policy states that he should be referred by his last name? Dangervest69 (talk) 05:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It should be changed. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

The film underperformed. It went over-budget and failed the rule of thumb.

The movie budget was 236.2 million and it made 402. Apply the rule of thumb it needed to make 500 million to be profitable. It was fine a month ago. 2806:108E:13:60F3:6892:4CDC:73C1:8A58 (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

As has been explained to you, the source you are using does not support this, as it only detailed the first week of release, when the article was published. Starting a discussion only after MULTIPLE reverts, edit warring, saying you won't cease your edits until you get your way, and a block request are not signs of constructive editing. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

About Ikaris

Both the Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L - Wikipedia and Ikaris - Wikipedia pages both say he died, so the sentence in Plot should be changed from "Guilt-ridden, Ikaris flies into the Sun." to "Guilt-ridden, Ikaris commits suicide by flying into the Sun." Noahop3000 (talk) 12:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, we cannot infer that Ikaris died on committed suicide just by the film alone. We present facts as they are explicitly shown, without making any interpretations or assumptions ourselves. See more at MOS:DOUBT and WP:VNT. Those two instances you mentioned are incorrect and should be adjusted accordindly. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

How about a compromise then? If not, it's fine but i'll just leave this suggestion: to add the implication of suicide and assert ambiguity, it could be like: "Guilt-ridden, Ikaris flies into the Sun in an apparent suicide" Noahop3000 (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Suicide is already implied by explaining that he flies into the Sun. Adding that it is an "apparent suicide" would be us adding our personal opinion to the summary rather than stating what is clear and obvious. The appropriate place to discuss his intentions and the reasoning behind them is in the cast or production section, with appropriate sources. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)