Talk:The Flintstones

Proposed revival

The infobox is no place to include information about the proposed (and as yet unproduced) Fox revival series. If the series is even made - the article itself says it's been postponed indefinitely so it was way premature to include anything in the infobox anyway - the series will get its own separate article. I have sliced out all the inappropriate material from the Infobox. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

(Archive) Is earlier episodes of The Flintstones in public domin?

• I copy the dicussion from Wikipedia:Reference desk, because it may be useful. --王小朋友 (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Is erlier episodes of The Flintstones in public domin?--王小朋友 (talk) 11:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

No, though the precise date at which they would enter (if ever) varies depending on exactly how the work is classified. For example, if considered as work for hire and without other mitigating factors, episodes would begin entering the public domain in 2055. — Lomn 13:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

My theory is that the OP is asking because the early, pre-1964 episodes would have had to have had their copyrights actively renewed to still be in copyright.[1] But it's very hard to research renewals with much assurance — you usually hire a lawyer for this sort of thing unless it is very obvious. I don't know how serialized television show episodes are handled, for example, or whether the fact that sound recordings are handled differently matters. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Google Books may have the list. [2] Does it mean that it is renewed? --王小朋友 (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Cartoons fall under US Trademark law, which means that they do not enter the public domain as long as they remain an active trademark. The earliest case I can think of that recognizes this is Fisher v. Star 231 NY 414 (1921).[3] Gx872op (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

That's not strictly true -- the Fleischer Superman cartoons are widely recognized as being in the public domain now... AnonMoos (talk) 17:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think that's right at all. Trademark and copyright law are quite different in any case. The Superman cartoons are a good example of this — the character of Superman is still covered by trademark law, but that doesn't mean copyright law still extends over the original cartoons. It just changes what you can do with them. The issue of trademarks and copyrights when applied to cartoons is complicated, as this legal paper discusses. Again, I wouldn't try to make sense of this sort of thing without consulting an actual lawyer. --Mr.98 (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Several Bugs Bunny cartoons are widely considered to be in the public domain, even though the character isn't, because nobody renewed copyright on them. Lots of companies have used non-renewed cartoons such as Falling Hare in VHS and DVD releases, apparently without royalty, so it would seem that their copyright lawyers have judged it safe to consider them PD. Nyttend (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Picture

In the ro:Familia Flintstone is a very nice picture, Flintstone-family.jpg, unfortunately not available on Commons.

File:Flintstone-family.jpg

not there

I am not an expert om fixing that, but it would be nice to have it here. Hafspajen (talk) 11:51, 10 May 2013 (UTC).

Fred and Wilma in the car

character ages

is there any references to cite the charter's ages tbh fred flintstone doesnt look 29 he looks like hes in his late 30's it looks like original research. 86.3.137.58 (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

And Mr. Slate is 30? The Grand Poobah is 38 and Uncle Tex is 65? I smell mischief. These ages should come out if they can't be given a citation. PurpleChez (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I have removed them. unless someone can cite. 86.3.137.58 (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Illogical, Unsupported Statement

From the last paragraph of the History and production section:

"After its cancellation, The Flintstones became the first primetime animated series to last more than two seasons.[26]"

Considering that The Flinstones began in 1960, why would it wait until 1966 to become the first to last more than two seasons? This would have occurred about 1963.

The cited source's link is dead. I found the new location at: http://www.museum.tv/eotv/cartoons.htm

I found archives of the original at: https://web.archive.org/web/20101204175107/http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=cartoons

However, after reviewing both the new link and a number of archives from varying dates, I found nothing concerning when the Flintstones became the first to last more than two seasons. Therefore, I'm tagging the statement for Failed Verification. Downstrike (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore...

"This record wasn't surpassed by another primetime animated TV series until the seventh season of The Simpsons in 1995/1996."

Why does it take seven seasons of The Simpsons to surpass three seasons of The Flintstones? Would the record not have been broken upon the premiere of the FOURTH season of The Simpsons? 64.222.162.61 (talk) 21:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Meh, I've removed the claim because I can't find verification for it, and it doesn't even make sense. If someone else thinks it's true, feel free to add it back with a reputable source. Missimack (talk) 22:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Barbera quote correct?

The Barbera quote starts with: "Here we were with a brand new thing that had never been done before, an animated prime-time animated show." Was the word "animated" used twice in the original quote? 173.161.16.17 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

• No it's not true, what he actually said was "Here we were with a brand new thing that had never been done before, an animated prime-time animated show that was animated." 144.136.192.38 (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Beethoven and 'Meet the Flintstones'

The current article states that "The melody [to 'Meet the Flintstones'] is derived from part of the 'B' section of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 17 Movement 2, composed in 1801/02." The citation here is to "Rechmann in Recital" from the Apple iTunes store; I'm assuming this is a performance of the Beethoven piece, but I'm unsure. I don't deny the musical similarity -- that is what led me to the page in the first place. However, I do wonder if there are any reliable sources that confirm that the Flintstone's theme was indeed "derived" from Beethoven's theme, rather than the resemblance being inadvertent. Are there any quotes from the original composer indicating this as a basis or inspiration? The specific article for the theme song only has "the melody is believed to have been inspired by", which is a much weaker formulation. PublicolaMinor (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Agreed. Without a proper source it sounds awfully like original research, which Wikipedia frowns upon. 144.136.192.38 (talk) 12:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
• support removal if there is not an actual source that has made the specific claim. that wikipedia editors "think they sound similar" is classic WP:OR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Theme Song

I was trying to find out who sang "Meet the Flintstones" and then found it to be performed by the Randy Van Horne Singers. The Randy Van Horne Singers also performed "The Jetsons Theme". I think that should be mentioned here and on the Jetsons page as well. RikkiAaron (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Overview of series

Am I alone in feeling the Overview section is rather poor? It goes into detail three times how the series portrays animals powering most things and cars being powered by foot power; yet doesn't mention any of the basics of the character set-up and drive of the series, such as Fred and Barney's friendship and most episodes focusing on them getting involved in some caper or get-rich-quick scheme? Section is repetitively over-detailed in some areas yet doesn't mention the basics. Thought I'd see what others thing before plowing in and changing it. 2A00:23C5:D280:4900:3C0D:FBAC:C7A0:F7EF (talk) 10:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Modern Stone Age family

The section sub-titled "Overview" could state that the theme song describes the Flintstones as "the modern Stone Age family". Vorbee (talk) 08:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Broadcast on color TV ??

Broadcast on color TV ?? Was "The Flintstones" a) made in color, and b) broadcast in color as early as 1960? That would be incredible. In 1960, lots of TV stations across the country did not have the equipment to broadcast in color, and a low percentage of households had color TV sets, even in the United States & Canada.
I read today that in Australia, they did not have any color TV broadcasts (of anything) until 1975 (!). They started experimentally in the U.S. in 1955, for such special events as the Rose Parade in Pasadena, Calif., because Los Angeles County had lots of "high rollers" who could afford color TV sets. Not true in such places as San Antonio, St. Louis, Sacramento, Seattle, Salt Lake City, South Dakota, South Carolina, Springfield, and Saskatchewan.
By the way, the first TV station of any kind between St. Louis and California was in Salt Lake City, beating out such places as Kansas City, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Denver, Albuquerque, Phoenix, and Las Vegas. Also, the first TV station of any kind in Canada was in Montreal in 1952. It began by broadcasting part of the day in French and part of the day in English. Since about 1965, Montreal has many English & French stations.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.77.8 (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

"Was "The Flintstones" a) made in color, and b) broadcast in color as early as 1960? That would be incredible."

I don't see anything remarkable about it. See color television for information:

• "Although all-electronic color was introduced in the U.S. in 1953, high prices and the scarcity of color programming greatly slowed its acceptance in the marketplace. The first national color broadcast (the 1954 Tournament of Roses Parade) occurred on January 1, 1954, but over the next dozen years most network broadcasts, and nearly all local programming, continued to be in black-and-white. In 1956 NBC's The Perry Como Show became the first live network television series to present a majority of episodes in color. CBS's The Big Record, starring pop vocalist Patti Page, was the first television show broadcast in color for the entire 1957-1958 season; its production costs were greater than most movies were at the time not only because of all the stars featured on the hour-long extravaganza but the extremely high-intensity lighting and electronics required for the new RCA TK-41 cameras. It was not until the mid-1960s that color sets started selling in large numbers, due in part to the color transition of 1965 in which it was announced that over half of all network prime-time programming would be broadcast in color that autumn. The first all-color prime-time season came just one year later."
• "NBC made the first coast-to-coast color broadcast when it telecast the Tournament of Roses Parade on January 1, 1954, with public demonstrations given across the United States on prototype color receivers by manufacturers RCA, General Electric, Philco, Raytheon, Hallicrafters, Hoffman, Pacific Mercury, and others. A color model from Westinghouse H840CK15 ($1,295, or equivalent to $14,693 in 2023) became available in the New York area on February 28, 1954 and is generally agreed to be the first production receiver using NTSC color offered to the public; a less expensive color model from RCA (CT-100) reached dealers in April 1954. Television's first prime time network color series was The Marriage, a situation comedy broadcast live by NBC in the summer of 1954. NBC's anthology series Ford Theatre became the first network color filmed series that October."
• "Early color telecasts could be preserved only on the black-and-white kinescope process introduced in 1947. It was not until September 1956 that NBC began using color film to time-delay and preserve some of its live color telecasts. Ampex introduced a color videotape recorder in 1958, which NBC used to tape An Evening With Fred Astaire, the oldest surviving network color videotape. This system was also used to unveil a demonstration of color television for the press. On May 22, 1958, President Dwight D. Eisenhower visited the WRC-TV NBC studios in Washington, D.C. and gave a speech touting the new technology's merits. His speech was recorded in color, and a copy of this videotape was given to the Library of Congress for posterity."
• "Several syndicated shows had episodes filmed in color during the 1950s, including The Cisco Kid, The Lone Ranger, My Friend Flicka, and Adventures of Superman. The first two were carried by some stations equipped for color telecasts well before NBC began its regular weekly color dramas in 1959, beginning with the Western series Bonanza."
• "NBC was at the forefront of color programming because its parent company RCA manufactured the most successful line of color sets in the 1950s, and by 1959 RCA was the only remaining major manufacturer of color sets. CBS and ABC, which were not affiliated with set manufacturers and were not eager to promote their competitor's product, dragged their feet into color. CBS broadcast color specials and sometimes aired its big weekly variety shows in color, but it offered no regularly scheduled color programming until the fall of 1965. At least one CBS show, The Lucy Show, was filmed in color beginning in 1963 but continued to be telecast in black and white through the end of the 1964–65 season. ABC delayed its first color programs until 1962, but these were initially only broadcasts of the cartoon shows The Flintstones, The Jetsons and Beany and Cecil. The DuMont network, although it did have a television-manufacturing parent company, was in financial decline by 1954 and was dissolved two years later."
• "The relatively small amount of network color programming, combined with the high cost of color television sets, meant that as late as 1964 only 3.1 percent of television households in the U.S. had a color set. But by the mid-1960s, the subject of color programming turned into a ratings war. A 1965 ARB study that proposed an emerging trend in color television set sales convinced NBC that a full shift to color would gain a ratings advantage over its two competitors. As a result, NBC provided the catalyst for rapid color expansion by announcing that its prime time schedule for fall 1965 would be almost entirely in color. ABC and CBS followed suit and over half of their combined prime-time programming also was in color that season, but they were still reluctant to telecast all their programming in color due to production costs. All three broadcast networks were airing full color prime time schedules by the 1966–67 broadcast season, and ABC aired its last new black-and-white daytime programming in December 1967. Public broadcasting networks like NET, however, did not use color for a majority of their programming until 1968. The number of color television sets sold in the U.S. did not exceed black-and-white sales until 1972, which was also the first year that more than fifty percent of television households in the U.S. had a color set. This was also the year that "in color" notices before color television programs ended, due to the rise in color television set sales, and color programming having become the norm."
• "In a display of foresight, Disney had filmed many of its earlier shows in color so they were able to be repeated on NBC, and since most of Disney's feature-length films were also made in color, they could now also be telecast in that format. To emphasize the new feature, the series was re-dubbed Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color, which premiered in September 1961, and retained that moniker until 1969."
• "By the mid-1970s the only stations broadcasting in black-and-white were a few high-numbered UHF stations in small markets, and a handful of low-power repeater stations in even smaller markets such as vacation spots. By 1979, even the last of these had converted to color and by the early 1980s, B&W sets had been pushed into niche markets, notably low-power uses, small portable sets, or use as video monitor screens in lower-cost consumer equipment. By the late 1980s, even those areas switched to color sets."
• "Color broadcasting in Hawaii started in September 1965, and in Alaska a year later. One of the last television stations in North America to convert to color, WQEX (now WINP-TV) in Pittsburgh, started broadcasting in color on October 16, 1986 after its black-and-white transmitter, which dated from the 1950s, broke down in February 1985 and the parts required to fix it were no longer available. The then-owner of WQEX, PBS member station WQED, diverted some of its pledge money into getting a color transmitter for WQEX."
• "Early color sets were either floor-standing console models or tabletop versions nearly as bulky and heavy, so in practice, they remained firmly anchored in one place. The introduction of GE's relatively compact and lightweight Porta-Color set in the spring of 1966 made watching color television a more flexible and convenient proposition. In 1972, sales of color sets finally surpassed sales of black-and-white sets. Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Dimadick (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

This says the first show on ABC in color. It doesn't say where they got it and it doesn't quite meet Wikipedia's definition of reliable.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

References

About the Hunagrian dubbed version

I was requested to include sources so I did; however many of the sources are newpapers or TV programmes from the 60's from Hungary and there is no online version, and most of the are in Hungarian, obviously. Along the external sources the best aggregated information about the topic is probably in the Hungarian Wikipedia, but it's not a source in enwp-sense. Still, I would be glad if you English-speaking folks would find better sources in English, there are plenty but I have limited time to read them all.

By the way not just the script was rhyming: all the names and lots of things were named in rhymes, like "Fred and Barney" became "Fredi and Beni", and even the title was translated into rhyming Hungarian: "Frédi és Béni, avagy a két kőkorszaki szaki" (rhymes emphasized). This is partially explained in the second part of "A KÉT KŐKORSZAKI SZAKI". (english).

I wanted to show examples but... I am not good enough in poetry-translation. --grin ✎ 09:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Fred and the Loyal Order of Buffaloes

The main article states that Fred was a member of the "Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes", paralleling the "Loyal Order of Moose" but it is just as likely it was intended to parody the UK masons "The Royal Antediluvial Order of Buffaloes" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.65.169 (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Franchise article

While the article not all that long at about 68 kilobytes, I believe it suffers from trying to be both an article on the original series and a franchise article. There's an awful lot of content after the series information that would probably be better off in a separate article about the franchise. At this point, I'm just trying to gage interest from the regular editors of the article before formally proposing a split. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I've begun a draft at Draft:The Flintstones (franchise). Any help would be appreciated. BilCat (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Stone age parody

Cigernette lighters are two sticks rubbing against each other; guns [rifles/pistols] are simple wood frames which propell rocks either by slingshot or catapult. 72.49.39.250 (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)