Talk:The Fog of War

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This page is not a copy violation. The site e-paranoids.com uses Wikipedia content under the GNU licence (it states so at the bottom of its home page.) Amelia Hunt 20:14, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I thought this was a new page. Must be a sign I have too many tabs open. Thanks! --fvw* 20:17, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

11 lessons

so is it me, or are the 11 lessons actually 12? what's up with that? --dan (talk) 05:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This sentence is clearly mistaken: "The Fog of War title denotes battlefield uncertainty during the fighting." That is the meaning of the origin of the phrase. The title, however, makes an analogy to that, referring instead to the reasoning of the commanders. According to http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War : "There's a wonderful phrase: 'the fog of war.' What "the fog of war" means is: war is so complex it's beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend all the variables. Our judgment, our understanding, are not adequate. And we kill people unnecessarily." 166.183.158.240 (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._McNamara they list the 11 lessons, any reason not to have them here?

The eleven lessons explored in the documentary are:

1. Empathize with your enemy
2. Rationality will not save us
3. There's something beyond oneself
4. Maximize efficiency
5. Proportionality should be a guideline in war
6. Get the data
7. Belief and seeing are both often wrong
8. Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning
9. In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil
10. Never say never
11. You can't change human nature.

2003 or 2004 documentary

Sony's web page says that this was the 2004 recipient for best documentary, while the wiki page says 2003. Somebody's lyin'! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.161.107 (talk) 01:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It is a 2003 film. The problem is that Sony referred to its Oscar by the year in which the ceremony was held (as IMDb does), instead of the calendar year when the film played in LA County or otherwise qualified for the Oscars (as used by both AMPAS and Wikipedia, normally same as year of release). --RBBrittain (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

"Peter on Internet Movie Database wrote.."

Really? Who's this "Peter"? Is he a known critic who randomly posts reviews on IMDb and then we.. I mean, what the hell?! Villings (talk) 16:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

WHAT?! You don't know "Peter on IMDb"?! (Never heard of him either.) Perhaps I should start sneaking my own IMDb reviews into Wikipedia articles as well... -- megA (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Presenting opnion as fact

"His review clearly emphasizes the fact that this particular documentary has been blurred with many unnecessary artistic techniques that could have been avoided."

That's not a fact, it's an opinion. Also, this line is inaccurate because the article clearly states that this is a general problem with the director's method,not just one particular to this film. Bizarre that there is no link to this article. Updating to fix all that. Itsbruce (talk) 09:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in The Fog of War

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Fog of War's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "mojo":

• From Man on Wire: "Man on Wire (2008) - Box Office Mojo". boxofficemojo.com. Retrieved 2014-01-31.
• From The Gatekeepers (film): "The Gatekeepers (2013)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
• From An Inconvenient Truth: "An Inconvenient Truth". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved June 20, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)