Talk:The Fourth Political Theory

You could just as easily be describing Hegel and his philosophical justification for Prussian ascendancy and his service to that power.

Astronomical symbol on the logo

Please note the "Fourth Political Theory" logo (e. g., here) contains an astronomical symbol of Jupiter (see Astronomical symbols#Symbols for the planets), perhaps could be linked to Mr. Dugin's interest in occultism. --Djadjko (talk) 02:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm a philosopher, but not a Russian expert by any stretch, want my help

I have read Dugin, listened to lectures and interviews, read Gessen on Dugin, and followed him for more than 10 years. I'm happy to help. First there is an error, "which integrates and supersedes liberal democracy, Marxism, and fascism". The theory aims to supersede the list. It is not an integration, but explicitly a rejection of liberalism, Marxism and fascism. Instead it draws from the pre-modern, post-modern anti-imperialism, communitarianism, and the political ramifications of Heidegger and indirectly some of the explicit political work of Hegel, but most of all it produces a pre-modern justification for "Eurasianism". However, because of logical contradictions in the text and factual errors (about Enlightenment Liberalism), the book betrays itself as cover for a pre-modern Russian Imperialism. He draws on the protections of diversity of ways of life to block criticisms of his Russian Imperialism, yet contradicts himself in asserting that Russian hegemony has the right to persecute and subdue non-Russian minorities and cultures. He's a bit clever, like Stephen Colbert's character in pretending not to see these people's differences from monarchical/Russian Orthodox culture, by universalizing with the term "people", the way Colbert's character is color-blind, but assumes everyone is white. This and other logical doozies disqualifies the work as objective scholarship in any contemporary sense of "scholarly objectivity" I'm aware of, and thus his work more closely resembles North Korean Juche or propaganda, then authentic philosophy. And, yes, I'm clearly aware that it doesn't take much work to see in historical and contemporary philosophy nationalistic biases. But, the explicit focus on Russia, its ideal culture, its particular pre-modern "virtues" makes his work distinctly Russian. And, his subserviance to contemporary power, even as it shifts, so does he, further classifies Dugin as the regrettable intellectual, free from scholarly commitments to truth and logical rigor, dedicated to serving illegitimate power. If this is useful, please let me know. Iopis (talk) 13:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Page numbers

Unfortunately I changed the page number when I used a citation from Dugins book and it changed it for examples of the source that had been added previously, could someone tell me how to add different page numbers for different references? Fourdots2 (talk) 23:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

It is generally not a good idea to summarize yourself WP:PRIMARY sources, such as this book by Dugin. It is much better use WP:SECONDARY, i.e. publication by other authors who write something about this book by Dugin. This is just a suggestion, I do not necessarily disagree with your edits. My very best wishes (talk) 03:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah OK thanks! Fourdots2 (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Banned?

The English translation was readily available only a few years ago. It appears to have been expunged from all online marketplaces, and repository databases. Has it been banned? What a strange precedent for the West to set. 184.148.140.210 (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)