Talk:The Hardy Boys/Archive 1

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Merge book articles

I see that we've started getting articles created for every book (see Category:Hardy Boys). Do we need a very short article on each book? Could we place these plot summaries in the main Hardy Boys article, and make the titles redirect to the sections? Will we ever expand these stubs into useful articles in their own right? Bovlb 16:08, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

I dont see it as a problem. Even if they remain short articles--and I think that many of the earlier books can be expanded because they have changed so much since the original edition was published--it is better than having an enormously long article with 174 subtopics. Danny 16:13, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Geez, I just took all morning setting those pages up, now you want to get rid of them. Thanks a lot! --FWDixon 18:20, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

To try to sell books thru Amazon.

I didn't mean to disrepect your work, but rather suggest an alternative format. You'll note that I didn't go ahead and just do it, but instead I raised it as a question. Also, the pages were initially created by an anon IP, which made it harder for me to contact you directly. Given the sheer number of books, perhaps one page would be unwieldy, especially if we have more than 200 bytes to say about each one. Bovlb 21:12, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

I think the current format with a separate listing for each title is the way to go. Hopefully more info will be added to each title. As you point out, if all that info was on 1 page it would soon become unwieldy. --FWDixon 19:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sure, so you can have another 58 links to your web site. Get real. This is link spamming and will not be allowed.

Quote at the top?

Should the synopsis of the Hardy Boys' history be a long, direct quote from this page? Is that acceptable, copyright-wise?

Since I'm the copyright holder for that site I think it's OK :) --FWDixon 11:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Get real. Everything except the pictures on your site was taken from published books on the Hardys.

Do you have any evidence of this? At the minimum you should cite the books you are referring to. --Dan East 12:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hardy and Hardy Investigations by Tony Carpentieri, 1997, SynSine Press

The Lost Hardys: A Concordance by Robert L. Crawford, SynSine Press

The Bayport Companion by Charles Heffelfinger, self-published

Frank and Joe Turn Blue by Tony Carpentieri, SynSine Pres

Collector's Guide to Hardcover Boys' Series Books by E. Christian Mattson

Need more?

Those REFERENCE books (except Matson) along with many others + my own personal research were used to get information for my site. I credited the authors of the reference books on the site. It's known as RESEARCH!

It's known as PLAGIARISM, plain and simple. The research was done by the authors of the reference books listed, NOT YOU. There is NOTHING original on the site.

Please, my site has been up for 10 years and is the product of exhaustive research by myself and others and 100s of hours of work on my part. It was the first web site to bring this information to the cyber-community. Why you childishly remove the links to I'll leave for you to explain here.--FWDixon 5 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)

Who do you think you are kidding? All of the information was lifted from loads of reference books on the series. You have nearly 100 links to your web pages from Wikipedia. This is an flagrant abuse of the encyclopedia to sell books via Amazon.

See [[1]] for more discussion on this problem.

Sub Category

Why not create a separate sub-category just for the books? That would allow the articles about the characters to stand out.--Hooperbloob 6 July 2005 05:29 (UTC)

I think the characters and the books are inseperable and that the current format is the way to go. Many of the characters already have their own pages and I'll be adding more as time allows.--FWDixon 6 July 2005 10:20 (UTC)

Links Section

Well I sure hope someone gets this silly dispute settled soon so I can add my site back into the links section, as it appears Bob Finnan (FWDixon) has deleted it from the listings.

By the way, the information on foreign languages at the bottom of the introduction (Sinhala, Afrikaans etc.) came directly from my research. For proof, see my website (www.hardy-boys.com) and an upcoming article (November) in YELLOWBACK LIBRARY, a magazine devoted to series books including the Hardys. As such, I feel that either a direct link to FWDixon's site should be removed, or a link to my site should be added.

- Austin Johnson Webmaster, Hardy-Boys.Com Editor, The Bayport Gazette webzine (bayportgazette.com/bg)

You are a fine one to talk about plagiarism - 80% of your site was stolen from my Hardy Boys site (www.hardy-boys.net). You copied my idea for a webzine from the Bayport Times. You have taken images directly from my site and used them on yours.--FWDixon 12:33, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

You are a fine one to talk about plagiarism Finnan. Every word on your site was copied from copyrighted books on the Stratemeyer series. Johnson's webzine is outstanding and his web site unlike yours has completely original content.

Yeah, most of the content was originally on my site!--FWDixon 14:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, all of it was written and published by others. You are a shameless plagiarist and link spammer.

I'm not convinced that this protection has helped anyone reach any sort of compromise. You two should take this to e-mail and off Wikipedia, and if I see anyone DELETING any kind of links, you'll be blocked for 24 hours. Sound good? Mike H (Talking is hot) 16:24, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

The problem isn't Austin Johnson, it's a lunatic named RMedford and his various sockpuppets who goes around deleting all the links. I'm convinced that the protection is helping curb him, although he has been on a vandalism spree on other juvenile book sites in the last few days.--FWDixon 17:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The problem is FWDixon who sets up 100+ links on Wiki to a web site created from other people's work and that no one has woken up to the fact that these are redundant and are there to sell books thru Amazon from that site.

I see, though, that the protection has remained on the page. Will this be removed so deleted links can be added once again?

Yes and then they will be deleted until the link spamming is stopped.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

Yep, tells us you're lying! Here's a link to Amazon's Ultra Thriller page (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671756613/ref=nosim) and not a summary to be seen. Ditto for everything else. BTW, thanks for all the links to my site, I'm sure it will increase readership! :)--FWDixon 14:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC) Oh Really? Lets try a few just on the Undercover Brothers.

Extreme Danger (#1) - 4/05

Finnan: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games. Amazon: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games.

Running On Fumes (#2) - 4/05

Finnan: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry. Amazon: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry.

Boardwalk Bust (#3) - 4/05

Finnan: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air. Amazon: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air.

OH! You only plagiarized SOME of the summaries?

Why not claim that Amazon plagiarized also, after all the description came from the back cover of the book and falls under the "Fair Use" provisions. But you don't care about that, you are just a pathetic hate-filled loser with no life and an ax to grind. Very sad.--FWDixon 15:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

LOL. Now you didn't write them. I thought I was a liar? Guess you are huh? So WHAT summaries did you write? What was that MY summaries stuff you were saying to Phillip?

You and I both know I was refering to the summaries on the original series title pages. Being an Amazon associate gives me "fair use" to quote portions of the books you questioned. You really ought to learn what you're talking about before you spew your hatred here.--FWDixon 15:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Amazon cannot give you rights to use publisher's book summaries Finnan, any more than Wal Mart or anyone else can. Everything on your pages was copied from all sorts of sources and you know it. If people want more examples I will give them more.

All publishers give the right to quote portions of their books for review and advertising purposes. It's also legal to quote portions of books under the "Fair Use" provisions of the copyright law. But you don't care about that, you're just a sad, obsessed person with no life and a lot of hatred inside. --FWDixon 15:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

A book summary is original writing protected by copyright. Summarizing a book in your own words is not a copyright violation but copying a summary without permission especially for commercial gain IS.

Only one link to each web site should be permitted on the main page. The Bayport Times link should be removed as a link to it exists from the Hardy Boys Unofficial Home Page. 69.205.1.91 18:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

We're working to get the Bayport link removed. It requires an administrator since the page is protected. -- Sitearm | Talk 03:39, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

Done -- Sitearm | Talk 14:04, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

I've got good timing

I just read through this article for the first time, and noticed a book title that needed to be italicized. Then I noticed the page was locked so I read this discussion. I went back to the main page and lo-and-behold it was unlocked. Good timing for me! If only I had that luck with traffic lights.  :)

Notice at the beginning of the article

I do not believe the notice at the beginning of this article is in line with Wikipedia policy. If the information is in Wikipedia then it is understood that it is not copyrighted. So it follows that the notice only serves to indicate authorship, which is not appropriate within Wikipedia.

I recommend a total rewrite of the article, which would not be a big task - excepting the list of book titles, it is only comprised of a handful of paragraphs. http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/ could then be listed as a reference. Whether or not that website is 100% original or not (and I am not inferring that it isn't) will no longer be an issue, as this article will no longer be a copy / paste. --Dan East 20:18, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Archive

Previous discussions on this page have been archived

• Talk:The Hardy Boys/Archive01

-- Sitearm | Talk 14:15, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

Retention of external link

• A consensus has been reached to retain on The Hardy Boys one external link to the Unofficial Nancy Drew Home Page. Discussions are archived here and here. -- Sitearm | Talk 14:18, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

The link to Hardy Boys memoribillia also falls under the concensus of one link per site on main article pages because it is part of The Unofficial Hardy Boys Web Site. 69.205.9.31 18:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Took it out. Thanks! -- Sitearm | Talk 04:27, 2005 September 1 (UTC)

Looks like an additional consensus to keep the word "commercial" in the Bob Finnan link description, as on Nancy Drew. -- Sitearm | Talk 04:50, 2005 September 4 (UTC)

Agree with Sitearm and Dan East. "Commercial" is an accurate description for the Bob Finnan Hardy Boys link as a comparison with the other links will show. A related discussion is taking place at User_talk:Who#FWDixon.2FBob_Finnan.27s_Link_Spamming Solo1 22:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Migrating individual pages into one

Is there any support for rolling up all of these one line summaries into just one page?

lots of issues | leave me a message 13:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

You said: these one line summaries.

Which "one line summaries" you are referring to? In the The Hardy Boys article? Other? -- Sitearm | Talk 04:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The 59 one line summaries. lots of issues | leave me a message 05:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Ahh... To recap: Suggestion is to take the current 59 separate articles, each with only 2 sentences or so, and combine them into one long page called (something like) "Summary of Hardy Boys book plotlines".

Support? lukewarm... is it worth the time to copy and paste 59 times, probably; is it worth the hassle of submitting 59 votes for delete, not so sure.

What is your take on this? -- Sitearm | Talk 11:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

We don't need to submit a vfd to merge. We could split the work. I'll do the first 30 if you do the rest? lots of issues | leave me a message 21:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Plagiarism

The list of "major features" in the Casefiles section is copied word-for-word from my website [2] (excluding a couple of changes). I'm not really sure what should be done about this... --WillNL 17:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, whatever -- I'll leave it, and tell myself that it was my own contribution... --WillNL 17:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

WillNL is correct, I deleted the section copied from: http://www.geocities.com/wroxford/casefiles.html It is not ok to do this, even with the owner's permission, because text in Wiki needs to be free of copyright restrictions. The solution is for some kind editor to heavily paraphrase, and perhaps improve the Wiki section that was removed. I'm not enough of an expert in the subject to do this. Piano non troppo (talk) 01:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

"Hardy Boys Digests" or "Hardy Boys digests"?

The article repeatedly uses an uppercase D when referring to the "Hardy Boys Digests." This implies that "Hardy Boys Digests" is a proper noun -- the official title of the series (like "Hardy Boys Casefiles"). But "Digests" is not the official title; it's a descriptive term used by collectors. Since it's not actually a title, I don't think we should capitalize the "d" in "Hardy Boys Digests", just as we wouldn't capitalize the "p" in "Hardy Boys paperbacks" or the "b" in "Hardy Boys books". Rather, I think we should probably spell it "Hardy Boys digests". What do people think about this? --WillNL 17:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey why not!!? Smith Jones 18:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

OK by me too.MookiesDad 11:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Grades

"The Clues Brothers books were aimed at younger readers, particularly in third and fourth grades." Not to sound stupid, but how old is "third and fourth grades"? Could somebody who knows please replace the wording with specific ages?Fuzzibloke 14:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Internal Links

A number of the internal links for this article (including, but not limited to, pretty much every title link and Frank and Joe) link to the 'wrong' pages...Frank, for instance, links to an Australian author. --Stretch 04:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No mention of the TV show?

If memory serves sometime in the late 90s their was a tv show based on the boys adventures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.187.166 (talk) 08:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

You mean this? --CCFreak2K 06:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I have put some info about that series on THe Hardy Boys article. Did some time ago. WHLfan 18:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Casefiles incorrect links

Many (almost everyone) of the working links in section 'Casefiles', link to articles with similar names, but with no relevance to the hardy boys. Someone should suffix all those links with '(Hardy Boys)' 80.162.254.106 18:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Working on it--Entoaggie09 22:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

They all should be fixed, but it is something that needs to be checked up on later. --Entoaggie09 23:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it also happens in the Hardy Boys digests list. for example #179 Passport to Danger links to a Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew super-mystery, not the Hardy boys digest book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.117.4.55 (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hardy Boys or The Hardy Boys?

Naming convention normally says not to use "The" in the title unless it's an official part of the name, like The Beatles, but I see "Hardy Boys" used a lot of times without "The" in front of it, so I don't think it's an official necessary part of the name. Should we move it? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 10:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

'The' IS an official part of the name. The only series that dosent have 'the' in it is: Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery series. But in the new series that came out last year they chagnd that to: Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery. So 'the' is an official part of the name. WHLfan 18:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

UK DVD?

Removed this:

Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew S1 is out on uk DVD 16TH JULY

It was right below the first paragraph. Someone more knowledgeable than myself on this should re-add it if and where appropriate. Also, you might want to add another line below the first paragraph to even out the spacing (I didn't re-add it myself because I didn't want to spam the edit history). --CCFreak2K 06:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Series in order of year

I noticed that series on this page go in order of date except for the Clues Brothers (1997-2000) which are before the Casefiles (1987-1998). The Crossover section is also out of order.
This is what order it is in now:
3 The (original) Hardy Boys Mystery Stories (1927–1979)
4 The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories ("Digests") (1979–2005)
5 The Clues Brothers (1997–2000)
6 The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987–1998)
7 The Hardy Boys: Undercover Brothers (2005-Date)
7.1 Undercover Brothers Super Mysterys (2006-Date)
7.2 Undercover Brothers Graphic Novels (2005-Date)
8 Crossovers
8.1 Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller Series (1992–1993)
8.2 Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery Series (1988–1998)
8.3 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery Series (2007-Date)
8.4 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Be a Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)

This is what order I think it should be in:(Bold shows the sections that should be moved)
3 The (original) Hardy Boys Mystery Stories (1927–1979)
4 The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories ("Digests") (1979–2005)
5 The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987–1998)
6 The Clues Brothers (1997–2000)
7 The Hardy Boys: Undercover Brothers (2005-Date)
7.1 Undercover Brothers Super Mysterys (2006-Date)
7.2 Undercover Brothers Graphic Novels (2005-Date)
8 Crossovers
8.1 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Be a Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)
8.2 Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery Series (1988–1998)
8.3 Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller Series (1992–1993)
8.4 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery Series (2007-Date)

Should this be changed? (WHLfan 16:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)).

That makes sense to me. Unless someone can provide any reasoning behind the current order I say change it. --Dan East 01:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

List of books with dates from List of Hardy Boys Original Titles

Reproducing content from List of Hardy Boys Original Titles which is being deleted for ease of reference, as I note this article doesn't contain the individual dates. Espresso Addict 23:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a list of Hardy Boys Books.

1. The Tower Treasure 1927
2. The House on the Cliff 1927
3. The Secret of the Old Mill 1927
4. The Missing Chums 1928
5. Hunting for Hidden Gold 1928
6. The Shore Road Mystery 1928
7. The Secret of the Caves 1929
8. The Mystery of Cabin Island 1929
9. The Great Airport Mystery 1930
10. What Happened at Midnight 1931
11. While the Clock Ticked 1932
12. Footprints under the Window 1933
13. The Mark on the Door 1934
14. The Hidden Harbor Mystery 1935
15. The Sinister Sign Post 1936
16. A Figure in Hiding 1937
17. The Secret Warning 1938
18. The Twisted Claw 1939
19. The Disappearing Floor 1940
20. The Mystery of the Flying Express 1941
21. The Clue of the Broken Blade 1942
22. The Flickering Torch Mystery 1943
23. The Melted Coins 1944
24. The Short-Wave Mystery 1945
25. The Secret Panel 1946
26. The Phantom Freighter 1947
27. The Secret of Skull Mountain 1948
28. The Sign of the Crooked Arrow 1949
29. The Secret of the Lost Tunnel 1950
30. The Wailing Siren Mystery 1951
31. The Secret of Wildcat Swamp 1952
32. The Crisscross Shadow 1953
33. The Yellow Feather Mystery 1954
34. The Hooded Hawk Mystery 1954
35. The Clue in the Embers 1955
36. The Secret of Pirate's Hill 1956
37. The Ghost at Skeleton Rock 1957
38. The Mystery at Devil's Paw 1959
39. The Mystery of the Chinese Junk 1960
40. Mystery of the Desert Giant 1961
41. The Clue of the Screeching Owl 1962
42. The Viking Symbol Mystery 1963
43. The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior 1964
44. The Haunted Fort 1965
45. The Mystery of the Spiral Bridge 1966
46. The Secret Agent on Flight 101 1967
47. Mystery of the Whale Tattoo 1968
48. The Arctic Patrol Mystery 1969
49. The Bombay Boomerang 1970
50. Danger on Vampire Trail 1971
51. The Masked Monkey 1972
52. The Shattered Helmet 1973
53. The Clue of the Hissing Serpent 1974
54. The Mysterious Caravan 1975
55. The Witchmaster's Key 1976
56. The Jungle Pyramid 1977
57. The Firebird Rocket 1978
58. The Sting of the Scorpion 1979

Unnumbered: Detective Handbook 1959

Source for book summaries

I found that someone had been, sadly, copy/pasting material into Wikipedia in violation of copyright - but it identified a resource that can be cited as a reference for such summaries that one *writes oneself*: [3]

Enjoy! --Alvestrand 21:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Noteable and curious

There was a novel where the two visit a war-torn country overseas and in one scene, one of them is forced to fire a machine gun -at- a pursuing group of enemies. Due to circumstances it is not known if anyone is hit. This, of course, causes intense emotional agony. Not only should this book be noted specifically, I'm wondering, personally, which novel it is because I want to re-read it also. -- Lots42 (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it a Casefiles novel? - WHLfan (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not one of the original series, it's a paperback, produced late eighties, as far as I recall. Lots42 (talk) 03:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This book was called "Revenge of the Desert Phantom" book #84. Books #84 and #85 very much like the Casefiles until the style of writing was changed back to a normal Hardy Boys mystery when Minstrel began publishing the books. In #85, Frank and Joe didn't shoot guns although it was still like a Casefile book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.112.41 (talk) 10:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Character Infobox

I was wondering if someone could make a Infobox for the characters in The Hardy Boys, i tried but im not very good at makeing them.

i was thinking some thing like this:

• Hardy Boys character
• [image]
• Gender:
• Hometown:
• Occupation:
• Relatives:
• First Appearance:

could someone make something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WHLfan (talk • contribs) 02:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• I have know created one you can veiw it here: Template:Hardy Boys Character or here: Frank Hardy (The Hardy Boys). WHLfan (talk) 23:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Armada Paperbacks

The numbering of titles published by Armada Paperbacks for the UK (non-American) market is different. Any idea why? RISadler (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

No one is quite sure, the Armada numbering (as well as the Collins numbering) seems rather random and it also lead to some strange continuity in the Armada series.

-WHLfan (talk) 01:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

1959-71 revisions

I recently acquired three books of the series -- #12, #32, #34. I used to own #12 and #25 from around 1971-73, and a bit past that time I acquired #19. My cousin had #8 and #34, and I alternately borrowed and returned them.

When I re-read #12 and #34 upon reacquiring them in the last month, I wasn't sure I noticed any differences in #12, but while reading #34, I did get the feeling of differences, and I became certain of them toward the end of the book. Are there exact years for the rewrite of each book, and was the original withdrawn and become unavailable for reading at those times? I do feel that the #34 as I originally read it was superior.

And are there places on the Internet to download and read the books? I remain interested in reading the 53 books that I've never read, though of course, I prefer versions that don't have racial stereotypes. GBC (talk) 00:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It's strange that you didn't notice any difference when reading #12 but did with #34, because the two versions are quite of #12 different, while #34 was only slightly changed. In the original Footprints under the Window published in 1933, Frank and Joe break up a gang smuggling illegal Chinese immigrants. In the revised 1965 version the boys stop a gang from stealing a top-secret instrument to be used for the US space program. Also the original was written by Leslie McFarlane and has 218 pages, while the revised text, by David Gramps, has only 177. And yes, most fans (including myself) consider the originals to be the superior.

As for your second question; no, you can not download the books of the Internet. All 58 (plus the revised Detective Handbook) revised original books are still available from Groset & Dunlap. And from 1999 to 2007 Applewood Books re-published the original unrevised books. Applewood planned to publish all 38 unrevised books but only got up to #17. Books 10 to 17, of the Applewood books, are still in print, while the first nine are not. For more information see Publication history of original Hardy Boys series at The Hardy Boys Wiki or ask on SkyWarp's Hardy Boys forum, Mr. Pizza's Forum.

WHLfan (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, my original #12 is Huellan refugees, and the replacement is the same in that regard. Apparently, my original was a 1965 revision. But #34 is now, evidently to me, a revision made after my cousin got his #34. GBC (talk) 23:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

How can this be incorporated into the article?

Here's a list from http: slash slash hardyboys dot bobfinnan dot com slash hbos dot htm#top that gives the issue years of original and revised.

1. 1927, 1959 The Tower Treasure

2. 1927, 1959 The House on the Cliff

3. 1927, 1962 The Secret of the Old Mill

4. 1928, 1962 The Missing Chums

5. 1928, 1963 Hunting for Hidden Gold

6. 1928, 1964 The Shore Road Mystery

7. 1929, 1964 The Secret of the Caves

8. 1929, 1966 The Mystery of Cabin Island

9. 1930, 1965 The Great Airport Mystery

10. 1931, 1967 What Happened at Midnight

11. 1932, 1962 While the Clock Ticked

12. 1933, 1965 Footprints under the Window

13. 1934, 1967 The Mark on the Door

14. 1935, 1961 The Hidden Harbor Mystery

15. 1936, 1968 The Sinister Sign Post

16. 1937, 1965 A Figure in Hiding

17. 1938, 1966 The Secret Warning

18. 1939, 1969 The Twisted Claw

19. 1940, 1964 The Disappearing Floor

20. 1941, 1970 The Mystery of the Flying Express|Mystery of the Flying Express

21. 1942, 1970 The Clue of the Broken Blade

22. 1943, 1971 The Flickering Torch Mystery

23. 1944, 1970 The Melted Coins

24. 1945, 1966 The Short-Wave Mystery

25. 1946, 1969 The Secret Panel

26. 1947, 1970 The Phantom Freighter

27. 1948, 1966 The Secret of Skull Mountain

28. 1949, 1970 The Sign of the Crooked Arrow

29. 1950, 1968 The Secret of the Lost Tunnel

30. 1951, 1968 The Wailing Siren Mystery

31. 1952, 1969 The Secret of Wildcat Swamp

32. 1953, 1969 The Crisscross Shadow

33. 1953, 1971 The Yellow Feather Mystery

34. 1954, 1971 The Hooded Hawk Mystery

35. 1955, 1972 The Clue in the Embers

36. 1956, 1972 The Secret of Pirates' Hill

37. 1957, 1966 The Ghost at Skeleton Rock

38. 1959, 1973 Mystery at Devil's Paw

39. 1960 The Mystery of the Chinese Junk

40. 1961 Mystery of the Desert Giant

41. 1962 The Clue of the Screeching Owl

42. 1963 The Viking Symbol Mystery

43. 1964 The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior

44. 1965 The Haunted Fort

45. 1966 The Mystery of the Spiral Bridge

46. 1967 The Secret Agent on Flight 101

47. 1968 Mystery of the Whale Tattoo

48. 1969 The Arctic Patrol Mystery

49. 1970 The Bombay Boomerang

50. 1971 Danger on Vampire Trail

51. 1972 The Masked Monkey

52. 1973 The Shattered Helmet

53. 1974 The Clue of the Hissing Serpent

54. 1975 The Mysterious Caravan

55. 1976 The Witchmaster's Key

56. 1977 The Jungle Pyramid

57. 1978 The Firebird Rocket

58. 1979 The Sting of the Scorpion

GBC (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• I suggest doing it like this:

1. The Tower Treasure (1927, revised 1959)

2. The House on the Cliff (1927, 1959)

3. The Secret of the Old Mill (1927, 1962)

And so on. So basically we keep the same list that is already in the article but with the pub date(s) in (). WHLfan (talk) 03:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Hardy Boys Wiki

I have contributed quite a few Hardy Boys related articles to Wikipedia, but since many Hardy related subjects do not adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines such as Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability, many articles on such subjects are tagged for deletion. At first I did not quite understand this but I have since come to see why some Wikipedians believe articles such as Mr. Pizza may not have a place on the wiki.

After some thought on the issue I considered a wiki for The Hardy Boys, and nothing else. A place where all and every Hardy related article would be accepted. Having visited Wookieepedia I discovered Wikia, and soon afterwards requested The Hardy Boys Wiki.

The Hardy Boys Wiki has been up and running for over six months now, and we are currently working on nearly 300 articles. So any time a Hardy Boys article does not belong on Wikipedia, you can always write an article on the subject at The Hardy Boys Wiki.

I don't want to sound like a spammer or something trying to get people to a site, but I know from experience that many Wikipedians do not appreciate many of the Hardy Boys articles, which are considered non-relevant to the wiki, and I thought it would be good if users contributing Hardy articles, which are unwelcome on Wikipedia could be directed to The Hardy Boys Wiki.

hardyboys.wikia.com

WHLfan (talk) 05:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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