Talk:The Little Mermaid (2023 film)

Budget for the movie

Regarding the budget, "The Little Mermaid received $56.8 million (£46.6 million) from the UK government bringing its net spending down to $240.2 million". I'd like $297 million changed to $240.2 million The source is the same one currently used: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/10/02/disney-sinks-300-million-into-over-budget-little-mermaid-movie/amp/ Amethyst2711 (talk) 21:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

That Forbes article literally says "Disney Sinks $300 Million Into ‘Over Budget’ ‘Little Mermaid’ Movie"[1] Claiming the budget is simply $240.2 million in the Infobox without any context is misleading and I don't know why editors thought it was appropriate for this encyclopedia to cherry pick conflicting claims into one fixed and deceptively specific number. The gross' production budget is the amount they had to spend up front. The net cost after rebates is not the production budget. If they got rebates or tax credits the net final spend might have been lower (and the chance of profitability higher) but the amount they had to spend up front, the actual price they had to pay to get it made, the real budget did not change. Template:Infobox film specifically warns not to cherry pick budget figures, and also says to label the budget as (net) or (gross). The Infobox should be, and the article body is proper place to explain that tax credits brought down the overall cost. According to Variety the budget was $250 million and according to that Forbes article it was even more over $300 million. Based on these sources the Infobox should probably list the budget as $250-300 million.

Also Forbes clearly states that the source for most this was the Express newspaper WP:DAILYEXPRESS a source wikipedia considers generally unreliable. -- 109.76.192.22 (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

The Forbes article is not entirely accurate. Myman1999 (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The Forbes article is actually not entirely accurate. Here's an example of movie with a smiler budget and similar box office performance, that was a success. King Kong the 2005 remake, which had a budget of $210 million and a box office of $550 million worldwide. Myman1999 (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Forbes was wrong, the Wikipedia page should state this movie as a modest box office success, which it was according to this site, http://unofficialsuchman.weebly.com/blog/my-personal-reaction-to-inside-out-2s-box-office-success and TV Tropes, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PresumedFlop Myman1999 (talk) 22:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2024

I want to edit this please 2600:4808:88D0:1F00:FDA7:614A:A52E:EE0E (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: To be able to edit the article, create a Wikipedia account, make 10 edits to Wikipedia while signed in, and wait 4 days. Alternatively, you can give specific suggestions on this talk page (eg. "There is a typo in the first paragraph where it says acotr instead of actor") and have another user edit the article for you. QuietCicada chirp 20:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Little_Mermaid_(2023_film)/Archive_1#Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_mention

I made such an edit suggestion before with no response or help. 147.124.239.44 (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2024

Please change the sentence, "Despite these earnings, the film was a box office disappointment which incurred a $4.9 million loss for Disney.", to "Because of these earnings, it was a modest box office success." Myman1999 (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a secondary source describing the film as a modest box office success we could refer to? PianoDan (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: No sources describe the film as a commercial success. Glass Snow (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

According to this article, https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/little-mermaid-disney-plus-numbers/, the movie was a modest box office success. Myman1999 (talk) 15:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

We would need to see a number of WP:RELIABLE, independent, secondary sources describing the film that way before we included that description in the article. A single article by the production company is not sufficient. Glass Snow (talk) 19:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Fine, what about this, http://unofficialsuchman.weebly.com/blog/my-personal-reaction-to-inside-out-2s-box-office-success This is an independent, secondary source describing the movie this way. Myman1999 (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

A Weebly blog is not a WP:RELIABLESOURCE. Please review Wikipedia's editing guidelines, really. There are a lot of resources out there on how to edit and what is and isn't a reliable source. Also, you do not need to respond twice in two separate topics for every reply. Glass Snow (talk) 20:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Then remove the sentence and say nothing at all. Myman1999 (talk) 20:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a reliable source for that claim. Glass Snow (talk) 20:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The claim is not true, the internet is not always accurate, it was rigged by review-bombers. In reality, it was a moderate success. TV Tropes says so. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PresumedFlop Myman1999 (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

That claim that it was a disappointment is not true, TV Tropes said, it was modestly successful. Myman1999 (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

And the claim on my website is true. Myman1999 (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The claims saying that the Little Mermaid remake was a disappointment is not true, it was a modest box office success in the real world, TV Tropes claims this here. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PresumedFlop Myman1999 (talk) 22:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2024

"Despite these earnings, the film was a box office disappointment which incurred a $4.9 million loss for Disney." The “box office disappointment” should link to the Box-office bomb page. 174.218.138.90 (talk) 23:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: There is an important distinction between films which fail to be profitable or perform disappointingly, and those which qualify as bombs. I suggest reading that article for more information. Glass Snow (talk) 09:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The movie was not a flop, nor a disappointment, nor a bomb, nor a drop, it was actually a modest box office success. This article says so. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PresumedFlop Myman1999 (talk) 22:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The movie was not a flop, nor a disappointment, nor a bomb, nor a drop, it was actually a modest box office success. This article says so. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PresumedFlop Myman1999 (talk) 22:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

In reality, the Little Mermaid remake was modestly successful. According to TV Tropes and Ben Suchman At the movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myman1999 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove all claims of it being a box office disappointment, when that was just an invalid opinion and not a fact.

Remove the sentence about it being a box office disappointment and say nothing at all. Myman1999 (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

As has been repeatedly been pointed out to you, you need a reliable, secondary source to rebut the existing reliable, secondary source in the article. TV Tropes, the website of the studio that released the film, and personal blogs do not count as reliable sources. PianoDan (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I find that very insulting, just remove the sentence then, these so-called reliable sources, like Forbes and so on don't know anything. They are just speculating. So, please remove that claim and live it blank. Myman1999 (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

You might want to remember that we can use personal blogs when the owner(s) are otherwise recognized published expert(s) on the subject. For news-type blogs, there should be an editorial staff that selects writers, so it can't be open contributions. Also, WP:FILMRS provides useful information on using reliable sources for film articles such as this one. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

That Forbes source, authored by a "Senior Contributor" is not a strong source. See WP:FORBESCON, which covers the community consensus that Forbes articles from contributors are generally unreliable. Are there stronger sources out with overall box office analysis? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Does this article from ComingSoon.net (which is a reliable source per WP:FILMRS) work? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

That article pretty much says that its performance has been disputed. By disputed, I mean, not a failure, but not a big hit either. It should be desrcibed as a moderate performance. Myman1999 (talk) 19:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not as familiar with that source overall. No objections from me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I guess, we'll just go with what ComingSoon.net says. Tons of movies had questionable box office results, for example Popeye in 1980 which grossed $60 million against a budget of $20 million. Myman1999 (talk) 19:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

According to WP:FILMRS#General, ComingSoon.net is a potential reliable source for Articles, interviews and reviews. Also, box office sources can be found at WP:FILMRS#Box office. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)