Talk:The Man and the Hour

Sour dates

How can the recorded date (3/6/73) be after the first transmission date (31/7/68)? --MrDaveS 12:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

One supposes the first refers to the TV, the latter to the radio version. Maikel 08:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Notability

Tagging articles and threatening them with deletion without bothering to leave even a simple comment seems to be all the rage in Wikipedia these days, and I suppose it's all part of the valiant "pissing on other people's parades" effort (which is again part of the the grander "making Wikipedia boring" scheme). Well, I for one consider this article interesting and the subject notable. Maikel 08:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The notability tag you're referring to is intended to encourage editors to edit the article to establish its notability by citing reliable third party sources (see WP:CITE, WP:N, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:EPISODE).

It's nice that you consider this article interesting (see WP:ILIKEIT) and that you consider it notable; to support your view you might consider actually editing the article to support your view. Absent such editing, your view is a mere assertion. --Jack Merridew 12:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

And it is not nice of you that you want to delete this article, and you should finally come up with a reason for doing so.

If anyone can cast doubt on and threaten with deletion a well-written article (not just a stub) by the mere insertion of an unsigned and unsubstantiated tag, and then the onus is on the other side to provide evidence, then something is deeply wrong with Wikipedia, not least because it is there to provide informational articles and not ones which are predominantly self-promotional. Maikel 09:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The WP:EPISODE guidelines are very clear on this: individual episodes of a TV series generally are not notable in and of themselves to warrant separate Wikipedia entries. Being the pilot episode of a major television series doesn't inherently make it notable. WP:EPISODE cites the "Pilot" episode of House as a good example of a notable TV episode, and while I don't actually agree that that's notable either, at least it cites third-party references to that particular episode to make its case. Can anyone here find third-party sources discussing the artistic or cultural significance of this particular episode? Tim Pierce 14:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

This would carry more weight if Wikipedia didn't have a set of bloated episode summaries for e.g. The Wire and Futurama, either sourced from the episodes themselves (the second reference in Stray Rounds) or not at all (A Pharaoh to Remember and all the other Futurama episodes). I haven't checked up on List of The Simpsons Episodes or List of Neon Genesis Evangelion Episodes yet but I can envisage a wasteland of unsourced trivia. The impression I get is that Wikipedia had no problem with US television pop trivia because the majority of Wikipedia's editors are themselves American, young adults; for them, non-US television is non-notable. The Man and the Hour was the first episode of one of the most popular and enduring television shows in British television history. Given the standard of sources in that episode of The Wire, it would be trivially easy to pick a link from the BBC's website, the episode itself, and any random Dad's Army fan page, or for that matter one of several paper guides to the series, to support its continued existence If that standard is enough for Futurama and The Wire it is enough for Dad's Army. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 10:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)