Talk:The Melodic Blue

GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 16:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to fail this nomination for the following reasons:

• Infobox claims a release date not backed by any sources and not in the body of the article, also needs alt. Also, avoid sources here these can be added to the body of the article.
  • Multiple sources confirm the release date: [1] [2] [3]. Consensus dictates that the genre category of the infobox must be sourced. Alt has been added. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
    • None of them are in the body of the article. No consensus dictates such, you need to look at FA articles, they dictate they have to be source in the body of the article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
      • The third one is citation 13 from the body. FA articles like The Dark Side of the Moon, Blonde on Blonde, Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album)? ––FormalDude talk 10:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• On the Lead, there is a huge lack of valuable information, these are just sentences glued together. You start well then use some references that should be added to the body of the article, instead of giving me (the reader) more information regarding the composition, singles, and reviews you go straight to the chart performance, a section that doesn't even exist (more on that later). The lead is a resume of the body of the article.
  • Not sure what you mean about a section not existing. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
    • There is no commercial performance section. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• The Release and promotion section could use some improvements as he has performed songs at Bet Awards, tonight's shows and so on. "the album was updated to include three songs" → what do you mean with update? re-release, changed tracks? Was this released on digital download, CD, Vynil, or any other format? Even a trailer was released as promo 1
• Summary → what is this? A name check of famous people on the album plus some description of instrumentation used on the album?
• The album charted in various countries and was even certified gold, but no commercial performance section?
• Track listing → "These credits are adapted from Columbia Records and Sony Music Entertainment", are they? I see Tidal, Spotify and SGLyric (not sure if the later is reliable) as sources, not liner notes. If you are going to use other articles as a source of inspiration at least do it as they do.
  • Both Tidal and Spotify list Columbia Records and Sony Music Entertainment as the source. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
    • You should sai credits are taken from Spotify and Tidal. As they are your primary sources here, not the labels.
• Why is the Personnel section inside the tracklist? Moreover, see Personnel to know what columns to use, and this time around no source for the credits?
  • Personnel section is sourced to the same credits as the tracklist. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• I have serious concerns regarding some sources here such as The Diamondback, Hypebeast, and Song Meanings and Fact, just to name a few.
  • I've seen Hypebeast used frequently and it seems to be considered generally reliable. I'd have to look into the other two more. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• Maybe a release history section? Since it seems the album was re-issued or something in that vein (update)
• This interview with Billboard 2 goes quite in-depth, you just use it to source out uncredited vocals, goes to show that sources are not used to their full potential, other interviews with Complex, even an interview with his mixing engineer giving background to the album 3. Thre is a lot more out there.

With everything I pointed out, I have to fail this nomination. There's still work to be done to this article, it's not ready in any form or shape to be considered a GA. It needs to be expanded which can't be completed in a few days. It also needs to be completely re-written, new sources added, ad more reviews, there is a lot of information out there because of Keem being related to Lamar and some of the songs performing well and winning awards (search this as well). Even if they weren't more sources available the ones used are not done to their full potential and this no way to structure an article.

I would also recommend you to ask for peer review before nominating articles as they can help you out and look at FA articles to get a good grasp of what we look for in a GA, doesn't need to be that comprehensive, but it helps out with the structure. According to the six good article criteria: This fails Broad in its coverage, as it doesn't "addresses the main aspects of the topic" and is not well written failing line A. Furthermore, I advise you not to nominate articles like this, as it is only one result for it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

• @MarioSoulTruthFan: Thanks for the review. ––FormalDude talk 03:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Novem Linguae (talk · contribs) 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar): See below. Will pass when most of the suggestions below are actioned.

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): Looks good. I checked a comparison article, and this rapper studio album article looks like it's supposed to.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section): Plenty of inline citations.

   b. (citations to reliable sources): Reference spot checks all passed. Only one unreliable reference spotted out of around 80, noted below. All non-lead paragraphs contain plenty of inline citations.

   c. (OR): No problems spotted with original research.

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism): See below. Earwig looked good, except for one phrase which can be adjusted. Most hits were proper nouns or quotations.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects): Covers everything from pre-album, to production, to release and reception.

   b. (focused): Article size looks fine.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: Will pass once some tone issues listed below are addressed.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): One fair use image. The image contains a fair use rationale.

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions): The article could use another image, for example of Baby Keem. However such an image is not available. Not much can be done, it is outside our control.

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Comments

Hello FormalDude. Thanks for nominating a good article. I plan to do this review shortly. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

• Caption is a bit ambiguous. I assume Baby Keem is the person sitting on the rainbow dock, and that the deluxe edition artwork contains the rainbow dock but without him seated on it? Consider re-wording to make all this clearer.
• "The standard artwork" -> "Standard edition album artwork"
• Why so many producers? Is it normal to include so many producers in the infobox?
  •  Done.

Lead

• Maybe wikilink "studio album". Music industry jargon that may be useful for readers to have wikilinked.
• "featured guest appearances by Kendrick Lamar, ..." - maybe add "by rappers Kendrick Lamar, ...". I find it helpful to describe who people are when listing them.
• "Don Toliver; an updated" - I'm not a big fan of semicolons. I think in most cases they can be refactored into periods / two sentences. This seems like a spot where we could just use two sentences.
• The lead seems a little short and dry. Is there additional information in the body that the lead could summarize? Is there anything interesting about the album that could be mentioned? By dry I mean that it just kind of recites off who the producers are, who the gest appearance singers are, what its associated singles are, etc. What's unique and interesting about this album? Is it the album that catapulted this rapper to fame?
  •  Done

Background

• "and said about West" - comma after
• "The album demonstrates a progression" - demonstrates seems like the wrong word, maybe change to "shows"
• "onto a hoodie" - wikilink hoodie in case this is American slang? I think UK calls it something else like jumper
• "working alongside Kendrick Lamar and Travis Scott, whom Keem said was" - is this in reference to Lamar or Scott or both? consider splitting into two sentences so that you can specify whom in the 2nd sentence
  •  Done

Recording and production

• "in his featured tracks" - what's a featured track? consider wikilinking or adding an explanation
• "which Keem also worked on" - to eliminate the "also", consider changing to "which Keem assisted with"
• "eventually leading to Keem publicly claiming that" -> "eventually leading Keem to publicly claim that"
• " MixedByAli, a sound engineer for the album, said "Baby Keem is a creative genius. The fact that he produces the majority of all his records — he's super involved in every aspect of it."" is very high praise from someone who has a conflict of interest. Is it DUE to include it? Consider softening or removing.
  •  Done

Release and promotion

• dropped the single "family ties," - capitalize Family Ties, move comma outside quotes (MOS:INOROUT)
• "The song's trumpet intro and intense back-and-forth between Keem and Lamar set high expectations for the rest of the album." - Consider rewording. Feels a bit subjective. Perhaps something like "The song was praised for its trumpet intro and intense back-and-forth between Keem and Lamar. The song's positive reviews created excitement for the rest of the album."
• "released the single "Durag Activity"" - comma after
• "Keem surprised fans" - paragraph break before. new idea
• "which spanned across" - consider rewording to be less hypey and more factual. e.g. "which visited"
• "Keem also dedicated time to touring and performing" - "Keem also performed"
  •  Done

Commercial reception

• By the second week - comma after
  •  Done

Critical reception

• "compared Keem to a "pre-costume superhero learning to control the lightning that pours from his hands."" - consider deleting. this kind of metaphor / hyperbole doesn't seem very encyclopedic. The second part of the sentence covers the reviewer's feelings in the more expected encyclopedic tone.
• "charismatic and hilarious" at times - comma after
• most notably on "South Africa" and "Gorgeous" - comma after
• "instead of making the album a confessional" - what's it mean to make an album a confessional? consider clarifying or deleting. also may want to wikilink confessional
• "lauded over his verse on "Family Ties"" - consider rewording. "lauded over" seems a bit odd, isn't it usually just "lauded" with no preposition?
• "suggesting it being among" - suggesting it was among
• ""triumphantly skips over horns and thudding 808s with a handful of flows and reminisces on childhood Popeyes trips while puffing out his chest."" - no idea what this sentence means. reword or delete? need more context at a minimum. is the music video being referred to here?
  •  Done

Miscellaneous

• I compared this article to the article The College Dropout, a similar studio album also by a rap artist, to see if they had about the same structure and headings. Looks good. Y
• 30% on Earwig. Hits are mostly proper nouns and direct quotes.
  • Consider adjusting "among the best of his career", is showing up in Earwig as a copy paste.
• Reference #53 Spotify is probably not a reliable source. Consider replacing or removing.
• Reference spot checks
  • #20 - https://dbknews.com/2021/09/10/baby-keem-the-melodic-blue-hip-hop-orange-soda/ - reliable, verifies dropping the single Family Ties before the album The Melodic Blue Y
  • #35 - https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.64629/title.baby-keem-earns-1st-billboard-200-top-5-album-as-drake-extends-his-reign - reliable, verifies 70.1 million on-demand streams and 305.4 million on-demand streams Y
  • #45 - https://hiphopdx.com/reviews/id.3788/title.baby-keem-the-melodic-blue-album-review - reliable, verifies HipHopDX rating 3.6 out of 5 Y
  • #61 - https://www.ultratop.be/fr/album/766da/Baby-Keem-The-Melodic-Blue - reliable for verifying French chart position, verifies spot #87 Y
  • #78 - https://musiccanada.com/gold-platinum/?_gp_search=The+Melodic+Blue%20Baby+Keem - reliable for verifying Canada certification, verifies Gold certification Y

@Novem Linguae: I believe I've addressed all your concerns. Thank you for the review! ––FormalDude (talk) 00:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks for addressing those concerns and for writing a good article. Very nice job. Passing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 17:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• ... that after some lyrics from The Melodic Blue went viral as a meme, Baby Keem publicly claimed that he and Kendrick Lamar created four new languages? Source: https://www.complex.com/music/baby-keem-kendrick-lamar-four-new-languages-the-melodic-blue , https://www.stereogum.com/2160680/baby-keem-the-melodic-blue-review/columns/status-aint-hood/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dumitru Petrescu

Improved to Good Article status by FormalDude (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 23:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Melodic Blue; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• ALT1: ... that Baby Keem said he and Kendrick Lamar created four new languages while working together on The Melodic Blue? Source: https://www.complex.com/music/baby-keem-kendrick-lamar-four-new-languages-the-melodic-blue
• ALT2: ... that a verse by Kendrick Lamar for The Melodic Blue was leaked before the album's release and went viral as a meme? Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kendrick-lamar-top-of-the-morning-1223767/

––FormalDude (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Onegreatjoke and FormalDude: Right, the article should already check most of the basic requirements. I'll just note that I've cited that Complex article one more time on the album's page, so that both the statements included in the hook are now covered by the same source. Also, technically, the viral lyrics came from a specific song on the album, so it could be useful to add one more slight clarification to the hook; this is just a pet peeve of mine, though! Oltrepier (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude: By the way, the ALT hooks you wrote both look good, but since you inserted them after the actual nomination was submitted, I don't know if we can still use them...

@Theleekycauldron: What do you think about it? Oltrepier (talk) 15:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@Oltrepier: I'm pretty sure anyone can suggest ALT hooks. ––FormalDude (talk) 18:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Yep, pretty much anyone can add an ALT at any time before the nomination is closed. It's a part of the workshopping process! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude and Theleekycauldron: Right, thank you for clarifying it! Oltrepier (talk) 08:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and I actually think we should be good to go now! Oltrepier (talk) 08:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)