Talk:The Moon and her Mother

The daughter of Cleobulus

Rather than start an edit war with Deiadameian, I would like discussed here an edit on which we disagree. The fable under discussion first appears as told by Cleobulus in Plutarch's account of The Banquet of the Seven Sages, which is discussed in the article. Cleobulus mentions it there as "a story of my daughter's which she told to her brother" but does not name her. The name has been imported from a 20th century scholar's account (also sourced in the article) who mentions her name as "Cleobuline". The article on this daughter on WP is titled "Cleobulina", which also mentions that Plutarch used to call his daughter "Eumetis". I question the need for naming her at all, since Plutarch did not in his work; that a later scholar chose to gloss the account of the story with her name is neither here nor there, since it adds nothing to our comprehension of what is in essence a light-hearted account. Deiadameian has wisely chosen to suppress to a footnote his own glossing of the mention of the moon with further inessential chatter about the moon's real name being Selene and the even more superfluous naming of Selene's mother. It strikes me that all this pseudo-scholarly commentary is inessential and should be deleted. Sweetpool50 (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

If you are going to mention me, then why did you choose not to address me, instead speaking about me in third person? Or are you suggesting that I get no say about this page, only you do?

The daughter's name I wrote simply because a) the source used (Adrados) does, and she happens to have a wikipedia page which can be linked. I wouldn't be bothered if she did not, but she does.

I do not appreciate how you said that I "wisely" put the "pseudo-scholarly" commentary in the footnote, as if wisdom is measured on how much you personally agree with something. You are free to think your personal opinion is the factual truth by which all actions are judged, and everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. I do not, and I do not feel unwise for having a different opinion than you.

The reason why I mentioned Selene at all is because she is the Moon, and for the ancient Greeks she was inseparable from the Moon. The Moon and her Mother is not a modern story, it's a fable from ancient Greece, and my mention of Selene is to connect two ancient Greek pieces of folklore (the fable and the goddess) whose connection would be a given for an ancient Greek person, but which is regrettably lost on modern people who do not speak ancient Greek. In fact, this connection is also seen on the lead of the page, not just the footnote. This fable simply is about Selene, as much as the fable about Zeus and the Tortoise is about Zeus - do you think Zeus should be removed from that page? It has nothing to do with the Moon's "true name", it has to do with the fact that those characters are from the exact same culture. Same goes for her mother; it is an interesting connection (though admitedly not a very important one) to the actual gods those people thought of when they related their stories.

If you want to discuss conflicting views, I am very open to find a compromise. If you keep flattering yourself and saying how unwise I am for not agreeing with you, then we are going to have a problem. Deiadameian (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)