Talk:The Promised Neverland

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Incorrect manga publishing date?

I noticed that the publication date for the manga of The Promised Neverland is listed as 1991. On other pages it's cited as having started publication in August of 2016. I'm pretty sure this is a mistake, but if anyone can confirm I'd appreciate it. 2601:246:901:A490:BC2A:2A53:70E7:CC0C (talk) 00:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Anime summary

I have re-inserted the anime summary to distinguish between the story lines of the anime and manga as they are significant - reduction in the entire battle between the demon Queen and Emma's allies, and changes to events. Regarding "spoil the plot!", Wikipedia guidelines state that "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot." Ozflashman (talk)

First of all, TPN season 2 covers from chapter 38 to chapter 181. your information is false. Secondly this information is of no interest here ! I already told you that this information you can put in the wikipedia of season 2 of the anime. This information is not necessary! In the review section there are sources which confirm that season 2 has an original storyline. And in addition you are spoiling the important elements of the final arc of the manga ! Please stop posting this information. Phil81194 (talk) 09:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with your arguments for not including the differences between the story lines of the anime and manga. See examples: Flame of Recca, Fullmetal Alchemist, Eat-Man and Death Note. I maintain it is of interest because it is significant enough to be detailed in Reception. Also, it does not spoil elements of the manga - as I mentioned earlier, Wikipedia guidelines state that "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot." I propose to re-instate the information, and if you remove it again, I will seek resolution through the Dispute Resolution process. Ozflashman (talk)

I don't disagree with the inclusion of content about the difference between the manga and its adaptation, but I think that unlike the plot section, this content in the anime section should be supported by reliable sources, otherwise, it would just seem like original research in my opinion. - Xexerss (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Point taken - I have added a couple of references to address the issue. Ozflashman (talk)

False Attribution

What Jairus Taylor actually said "The problem here though is that TPN was never really a mystery thriller in the way its earliest chapters suggested. It's a horror fantasy, and one that leans a little closer towards being a more linear version of Hunter x Hunter than the second coming of Death Note. In a similar vein to how Yoshihiro Togashi shifts the tone and genre of Hunter x Hunter with any given arc, The Promised Neverland also effectively changed genres to better support the needs of the narrative. The mystery thriller elements were vital to the Grace Field arc and filling in the blanks on the main trio's lack of information about the outside world; as that world expanded and the scope of the story grew more complex, Shirai tossed most of the mystery elements out the window. Instead, the post-Grace Field story shifts towards more literal strategic battles (with guns) and an ever-deepening dive into more fantastical elements, which range from the kids having to stave off sentient trees to Emma and Ray navigating a time-space cube in order to bargain with an Elder God that also doubles as a maniacal wish genie.

It's not exactly hard to see how a lot of that clashes with the relatively grounded tone of the anime. That grounded approach worked well enough with the needs of the Grace Field arc, but it resulted in an anime adaption that was ill-equipped to handle the story beyond the orphanage. The anime did a pretty good job delivering on suspense, but turning that into its main focus came at the expense of other elements that were vital to TPN's larger ambitions."

What wikipedia is claiming he said "Jairus Taylor of Anime News Network wrote that the anime adaptation of the The Promised Neverland was a "total disaster". He explained that the anime changed the main focus of the original manga, which was meant to be a horror fantasy, as a "more linear version of Hunter x Hunter", instead of being a mystery thriller, as "the second coming of Death Note". Taylor commented that the anime "did a pretty good job delivering on suspense", but that it was at the expense of other elements that were vital to the original work's "larger ambitions", including entire cut out or trim down of worldbuilding elements, the lack of internal monologues and characterization that diminished the motivations of certain characters and the simplification of the series' actual themes and its messaging. Regarding the second season, Taylor considered various possible reasons for the staff's decision to make the changes, but he wrote: "Regardless of what went down though, it doesn't really change the reality that the second season faceplanted pretty hard". Taylor concluded: "If the anime had chosen not to skip anything it could have still faced problems since it was arguably poorly equipped to handle anything past Grace Field. Either way, the end result here is really disappointing, because while it certainly wasn't faultless, The Promised Neverland manga was easily one of the most interesting and thoughtful entries to the Shonen Jump lineup. It's a shame that its anime counterpart failed to live up to its potential".[43]"

It's clear that someone has highly manipulated what the article actually says in order to get their own opinion in, using selective quotes and poor paraphrasing what was actually said. In fact, it should be obvious that Jairus Taylor said that the MANGA, not the Anime, changed from mystery thriller to horror fantasy after the grace field arc. Comparisons to death note were likewise done on the manga side. If people cannot actually quote what someone else said without changing it, then they shouldn't be editing wikipedia in the first place. 100.16.208.204 (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

The article also states: "I bring up this comparison because when it came time to adapt it into an anime, series director Mamoru Kanbe (whose previous work included mystery and horror thrillers such as Elfen Lied and The Perfect Insider) and the team assembled at CloverWorks amplified that perception of the series as a mystery thriller". Summarizing, Taylor is basically saying that the anime didn't care that much about the fantastical elements of the series and they were more focused on the mystery thriller side of the story. Yes, the manga shifted genres, but the anime simply considered it a mystery thriller series as a whole and nothing more than that. There's much more in the article, but I tried to summarize Taylor's main points of why "TPN's anime adaption was a total disaster". About the comparison to Death Note, it was because Taylor also mentioned in the article that the series was frequently compared to DN when it debuted, but as he says later, it never tried to be its successor, as the anime staff thought it was meant to be. What about reading the entire article before making this kind of statements? - Xexerss (talk) 02:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Promised Neverland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Benji man (talk · contribs) 20:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I enjoyed reviewing this article! I think there are a few issues that need to be addressed to meet the GA criteria in full:

• The opening sentence of the Synopsis section may violate the policy on Writing about fiction (this should be easy to fix).
• Especially the Production section contains a lot of direct quotes from the sources that are not marked with quotation marks. It is great that the sources are indicated in detail! But verbatim quotes have to be "marked like this" or significantly paraphrased, otherwise this counts as plagiarism of the sources' authors.

Some general comments that don't affect the GA process but that I think might improve the article overall:

• The Reception section as a whole is too long and goes into too much detail. I think it would be better if it were more concise and gave less details about each review. Instead, consider giving a summary of overall reception, while keeping the links to the different reviews.
• The Other media and Sales sections could also be made more concise. In Sales, the data might be more efficiently presented in a table.

I think the GA criteria should be easy to meet so I'm putting the review on hold for 7 days. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions! Benji man (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello.

I think I just fixed the issues that you have mentioned at first, you can take a look and tell me if it's right. For the other few things, I think there is no issues for now, especially that it doesn't affect the GA process as you said. So as for now I think the article meets the GA criteria in full. Phil81194 (talk) 08:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, that's a pass! Congratulations. Benji man (talk) 13:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. And thanks for the help with your edits. ^^ Phil81194 (talk) 13:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that The Promised Neverland's conception originated from a draft titled Neverland but the title had to be changed due to copyright issues? Source: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/web_pages/150/
  • ALT1: ... that the setting for The Promised Neverland was inspired by Victorian England? Source: https://www.lefigaro.fr/bd/kaiu-shirai-le-conte-pour-enfants-haensel-et-gretel-m-a-traumatise-etant-petit-20200510
  • ALT2: ... that the second season of The Promised Neverland received lots of negative reception over its changes from the source material? Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-03-26/the-promised-neverland-trends-in-the-united-states-over-botched-anime-ending/.171125
  • ALT3: ... that Kaiu Shirai stated that some parts of his story The Promised Neverland came from nightmares that he had as a kid? Source: https://www.lefigaro.fr/bd/kaiu-shirai-le-conte-pour-enfants-haensel-et-gretel-m-a-traumatise-etant-petit-20200510
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KTVU (Stockton, California)

Improved to Good Article status by Phil81194 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 23:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC).

• Gonna be claiming this for review but due to IRL busyness it may take a bit to complete it. In the meantime, I think the first hook is the best option here, with ALT3 being a close second. Otherwise I can confirm that it was promoted to GA on time from the date of the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Continuing review: The first hook and ALT3 are the best options here and would probably intrigue even non-anime fans the most. I have verified the first hook in the source: ALT3 is cited to a French source so AGF, although Google Translate seems to confirm it. QPQ has also been done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• @Onegreatjoke: Apologies for the delay in approving this. This is almost good to go, the only remaining issue is that ALT0's supporting sentence is lacking a footnote (which instead is found in the following sentence); that will need to be addressed for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Is it good now? Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this is good to go now. I have a slight preference for the original hook but I will leave the final decision to the promoter (I'm leaving ALT0 and ALT3 for consideration, I've struck ALT2 as it assumes familiarity with TPN, which not all readers may have). I have to note that Phil81194 revered your adding of the footnote; I've reverted that edit, and I'd like to point out to Phil that per WP:DYKCRIT, footnotes need to be duplicated for any sentence that mentions or discusses a DYK hook fact even if they're not required otherwise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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I loved this article, I really only have maybe ONE complaint. (That there is no character list) But that is not what this topic is about! I wanted to tell you how amazing and wonderful this article is! I really appreciate all the work you put into it; it never fails to surprise me every time I come to this Wikipedia page! I also thought I would spread the Holiday telling you that I admire your work. Also, I have a question. Is the Anime an "A Class" anime? I saw something like that and I am a little confused. Please have a wonderful day and Holidays!

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