Talk:The Quiet Man

Objection to Taming of the Shrew portion

Unless a source is provided for the lengthy essay regarding the similarities between The Quiet Man and The Taming of the Shrew, I think it out to be removed as original research. The fact that the section is signed by the editor and lacks citations to prove the research came from another source indicates that it is indeed original research and should thus be removed.

--Jason the Delicious 05:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I thought of removing it myself, then decided to wait a bit to see if anyone else agreed with me. If a citation can be found for it, that would be different. For instance, there are a gazillion citations for saying that "Forbidden Planet" is like "The Tempest". Mebbe so, mebbe not, but at least a lot of sources have *said* it is. Hayford Peirce 19:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the removal but I must say that this was really an excellent passage that I enjoyed reading. A really perceptive bit of film analysis. --Mantanmoreland 16:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How about this? http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~wcd/quietman.htm

This is just one of many references a google search pulled up--Lepeu1999 19:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Goofs

• Look closely when Wayne is in the dog cart-these scenes were made on a stage and not outside.

• At the wedding toast, Will throws down the coins and say 'This is something you won't get, now or ever!' then he knocks out Sean, when Sean comes to you can clearly see the coins still on the floor. Sean picks up the flower and hands them to Mary Kate, but why doesn't anyone pick up the coins?

Yes, but I'd hardly classify it as a "goof." It was, and still is, standard film-making technique to combine on-location footage with scenes filmed inside a studio using a rear-screen projection. There's a number of reasons for this, and although you can see the difference on the screen, it's deliberately done and hardly qualifies as a mistake.PNW Raven (talk) 12:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

• I don't know how to edit this out, but there's a goof here in Wikipedia's "The Quiet Man" entry. The film is not set in the Innisfree that William Butler Yeats wrote about. That is a tiny island, and it is real. The film takes place in Inisfree (one "n"), a fictitious village. The name of the village -- the one-N Inisfree -- can be seen on a flag in the horse race scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.192.12.59 (talk) 21:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Let me sign this -- I'm Frank Warner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.192.12.59 (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

"Danaher" = incorrect spelling in film credits - Danagher is the correct way to spell this Irish surname (silent 'g'). An Irish person would NOT have made this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.250.117 (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

None the less, that is the way the credits spell the name "Danaher" and is quoted in the credits - therefore the film name should stand.Also please show sources for change, do not shout in your comment and sign your contribution. Would be grateful for other editors views. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A further thought. Perhaps the cast list should contain the name "Danaher", as per film credits, but with a footnote regarding "Irish spelling", if the a source can be found for this,other editors comments please. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Due to unregistered IP editor not supplying sources/references for name change and all film and published credits naming surname as "Danaher", I have reverted the unsourced edits back to their original and confirmed sources. David J Johnson (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, but we now have two ways of spelling Inisfree (Sectioon Production)/Innisfree (Section Plot) on that page...Drow69 (talk) 16:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting this. I have changed to one "n" spelling, as per the film. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Irony

• Victor McLaglen was an ex-profesional Prize fighter before becoming an actor. John Wayne was an actor playing an ex-professional prize fighter.

• "The Quiet Man," released in 1952, is about a man whose wife insists he fight. "High Noon," released that same year, is about a man whose wife insists he not fight. - Frank Warner

I have seen it claimed that McLaglen, as a former professional boxer, could probably have flattened Wayne in a fight for real, even though he was 20 years older. What do people think? PatGallacher (talk) 09:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I think this is not the place for such a question. —Tamfang (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Quiet man.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Main theme

Is the main theme (heard at the beginning, played by the pipes before the race and heard during the dragging of Mary Kate) specially composed for the film or is it a traditional tune? --Error (talk) 00:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It's an traditional Irish tune called the Rakes of Mallow. The article could indeed be improved with some information about the soundtrack. --Gliese581 (talk) 21:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ken Curtis

Did the son-in-law of director John Ford not play a role in this movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.220.6 (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• Yes Curtis is listed on IMDB as being in movie but as uncredited —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.126.88 (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Title

I watched this and afterward wondered about the title; if the film contains a reference that explains it, I missed it. the Wayne character is as loud as every other, if not louder, so I was hoping to find an explanation here. 67.171.186.151 (talk) 05:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Irish-American?

This may be a stupid question - but what exactly is an "Irish-American" movie anyway? One shot in Ireland and in the US? One on which Americans of Irish descent have worked? One based on a story by an Irish writer? I looked in the MOS:Films but it does not elaborate on the issue of what criteria we should use to define the nationality of a film. But judging by the way this is handled by other reference works and even regarding other movies on Wikipedia itself, shouldn't The Quiet Man be referred to as just an "American" film? AFAIK, nationality is usually determined by the production company (or companies in case of international co-productions). Here both the distributor (Republic) and Argosy (which was Ford's own production company) are clearly American. Drow69 (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to have any Irish involvement. Per the BFI it is a US production. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ford was also producer

He was nominated for Best Picture according to the Academy and the BFI has him listed as producer. Drow69 (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Not Ireland

As the film was set in the 1920s it was the Irish Free State. It was not renamed Ireland until December 1937. (ShawnLFlynn (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC))

Oh but it always has been Ireland! Anyway see WP:IMOS. Snappy (talk) 20:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the correct title during the time in which the film was set was the Free State. (ShawnLFlynn (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC))

The correct name of the political entity at the time, however we use the geographic term like WP:COMMONNAME. Snappy (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The correct geographical term would be the British Isles. (ShawnLFlynn (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC))

No, it would not. That term is in dispute, so much so that there is an entire article devoted to it, see British Isles naming dispute. Snappy (talk) 16:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Is there any clear indication that the film is set in the 1920s? I know it's based on a story written in 1933, but that doesn't clinch it. PatGallacher (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

I have discussed this with a few people, just a few factors, most notably the presence of a Blueshirt in the pub scene, suggest it is set in the early 1930s. PatGallacher (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

No, that is not enough evidence, Blueshirts were active in 1920's - see Wikipedia article. David J Johnson (talk) 06:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

See also In the Footsteps of The Quiet Man by Gerry McNee (Mainstream Publishing - ISBN 1 85158 321 1). "Set in the 1920s and shot in the 1950s" David J Johnson (talk) 06:32, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Extract from The Unquiet Man The Life of John Ford by Dan Ford, 1979 (John's son), published by William Kimber & Co Limited in the United Kingdom (ISBN 0-7183-0059-9):- Page 240: "John had told (Richard) Llewellyn to set the story in 1922, at the time of "The Troubles"... ". David J Johnson (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hank Worden

According to Worden, he was NEVER in this movie.

Worden stated that the trainer in the flashback was played by another actor that looked a lot like him.

Worden is not listed anywhere in the cast section at IMDB.

Given that, I think more research needs to be done to definitively prove one way or another who played the trainer. Additionally, until proven, I think his name should be removed from the cast section in this entry. 2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6 (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

No The Hank Worden quote is unsourced and there is no reason to "shout" the word "never". IMDB is not considered to be a reliable source. Peter Bogdanovich in his book, John Ford (ISBN 0-520-03498-8), based on interviews with the director; mentions Worden in the cast list - as does Andrew Sinclair in John Ford (ISBN 0-04-791038-0) and Tag Gallagher in John Ford. The Man and his Films (ISBN 0-520-05097-5). Having just reviewed my own copy of the film, it certainly looks like Hank Worden in the flashback scene, but that is WP:OR!. Until there is reliable, sourced, evidence that it was not Worden - then the listing should remain. David J Johnson (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Additional to the above, I have checked with the American Film Institute website: afi.com and they credit Hank Worden in the cast list as trainer in flashback. David J Johnson (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The sources that DJJ has found are considered reliable per Wikipedia's policies. Until something that refutes them is found the listing can stay based on those sources. MarnetteD|Talk 23:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the dispute. Where does the claim that Worden does not appear in the film actually come from i.e. an interview, an autobiography, a conversation down the pub? Betty Logan (talk) 19:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The trainer does not look like Hank Worden. It is simply another older man with a similar head shape and hairline. Perhaps Worden was in the film, but was cut out of the finished product. However, anyone with reasonable facial recognition skills should be able to identify the trainer as not being Worden, who had a very distinctive look. There is an extreme close-up of the man, for goodness' sake. It clearly isn't him. Moreover, IMDB lists a Bob Perry in the role. If you look at Perry's other roles, he played a slew of uncredited bit parts around this time, including many referees, several bartenders, etc. He also played a "bald legionnaire" in Beau Geste. Given that the character doesn't look like Worden, that another bald man who played identical roles as his primary career is credited, and that Ford would almost certainly not cast Worden in a completely nonspeaking role that was this brief, I think the chances this is Worden are nill. I'm not even sure why there's a debate on the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesteringMan (talk • contribs) 20:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Respectfully suggest that you re-read the above comments and sign your "contribution" in the required way. The so-called Worden comments is extremely suspect and not sourced, plus I don't know how you can state what John Ford would have thought, that is WP:RS. That is conjecture and not worthy of further comment. IMDB is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. Until a reliable source disputes the current cast list, then it stays as listed. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

As mentioned before Wikip articles go with the information that is in reliable sources. IMDb is not one of those. That sites fact checking is minimal and they are riddled with errors. If a secondary source can be found to show that HW is not in the film then the article can be changed. MarnetteD|Talk 16:02, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Ditto Marnette. Many sources list Worden's participation so if they are wrong then this is a widespread failure. It goes against the spirit and the policies of Wikipedia to remove information we believe is wrong without proof. Betty Logan (talk) 21:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Picture "White O'Morn Cottage"

The picture certainly does not show the cottage used in filming - this is located in a rural area and is now a complete ruin. The picture seems to show a building in Cong - possibly the Quiet Man "museum", not sure if that institution refers to itself as the White O'Morn house. Given the statement in the nearby paragraph about the cottage, it should be clarified what this picture actually shows to minimize confusion.Drow69 (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Drow69, it's indeed the Quiet Man museum and they call it the White Cottage, but I'm not sure of the rest, therefore I will remove the picture.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

It is indeed a museum and not the original White O'Morn Cottage; which is, at present, a complete ruin, although there are plans to restore it. Elisa.rolle is correct to delete pic. Thanks and regards, David J Johnson (talk) 13:01, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Winton C. Hoch

Why must it be Winton Hoch without the "C."? --Thomas Mulligan (talk) 13:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be and I have inserted the "C" to the name in the info box. It is already quoted in the awards section and certainly does not need to be quoted throughout. However, you must stop edit warring regarding the correct Academy Awards title for John Ford, or you will find a block on your "contributions". Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)