Talk:The Witcher (TV series)

Split the page into seasons

I have begin to work in season drafts of the series. They still need a lot of work to do but I think it's time to divide the show on seasons, considering that is one of the most popular shows on Netflix. Just hope there is enough information to do it. Here are the drafts: Draft:The Witcher (season 1) and Draft:The Witcher (season 2) Ulises1126 (talk) 3:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Ulises1126 - I am neither accepting nor declining the drafts at this time, because I would like to see other editors comment on whether the split is in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

A split seems reasonable, so long as there is an editor actively working on it. (I always prefer to see more WP:PROSE and less tables.) If it had been discussed first then a single List of episodes article might have been better than two separate articles for each seasons but the work has been done and it looks pretty good already. I do hope that obvious problems such as the plot summary length issues will be fixed before the drafts are approved. How much do you intend to permanently remove from the main article, or do you intend to transclude information back from the other articles? An active editor working on this makes a massive difference and I would expect that the issue of redundancy would soon be addressed and any improvements made to the main article would be copied across. -- 109.79.162.223 (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Yep, I need to fix about the plot summary. I'll fix that in a moment. Ulises1126 (talk) 16:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Please also see List of 13 Reasons Why episodes. If the coverage will be at that level, it should be split off to a List of episodes. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I have already fixed the problem of the plot summary. I added a premise section for both articles. I also removed several parts of the premise and only kept the ones that are important. Ulises1126 (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I support a split. Evening Scribe (talk) 02:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support Each season is notable enough to stand on its own, and splitting would avoid cluttering the main article. Hzh (talk) 15:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

A "List of episodes of The Witcher" works better for me. This series will have 7 seasons if it's enough succesful in the future. Are we sure we'll have active users at that time working on separate articles for each season?? Also I think this article still don't have a List of episodes. So, my opinion is that first we need a List of episodes for this page. Do not split into seasons. Best regards. Miaow 21:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

The question was if you agree to the split now, and the proposing editor has already done the work and provided the draft articles linked above. It might not be a bad idea to also create a List_of_The_Witcher_episodes article (currently a redirect). If the show is popular enough to run for seven seasons I would expect it would also be popular enough for editors to work on it but if in the future things change and somehow pages later end up neglected you can always propose merging back into the main article. I do still want to know how much will be copied/removed/duplicated/transcluded etc. and I hope the draft articles can be approved soon. -- 109.76.210.115 (talk) 01:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Work has been done ... was it misguided? Possibly. We have all done work which was rejected. The important point is to correct the mistake and work on something which IS ACCEPTABLE, not to carry on injecting hours more work on something that is wrong, and certainly not to force through a bad idea just becuase "someone has spent a lot of time on it". Chaosdruid (talk) 01:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose This is entirely unacceptable. The reason? Well, because the article MUST be left here, and the seasons can be forked off. There needs to be an overall article, and the seasons can be their own articles, but just like every other article on a series, there still has to be an original article called "Witcher (TV Series)" which amalgamates, summarises, and ties all the other articles (cast/episodes or seasons/etc.) together.

Similarly, there has to be somewhere that production, development, legacy etc. need to be.

I think the title of this discussion should be changed to "Splitting the episodes into 'Season X' articles" - if so, then I would wholeheartedly agree Chaosdruid (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support Given the drafts you've made you're requesting the standard way of doing things (MOS:TVSPLIT), i.e. the main article will still remain, so no problems there. zmm (talk) 06:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

So it means that I can submit them for review again?? Ulises1126 (talk) 03:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Episode articles

Well I'm not only interested on giving the show two separate articles of it's seasons, but I would like to give the show it's own episode articles. I'm not sure if you already tried but I would look information and go deeper for the production section of the show. I may not find much, and it would be something similar like some episodes of Breaking Bad, The Mandalorian, or Westworld where some of it's episodes don't have much in it's production section, but I believe it's time to break the curse of not giving own episode articles to Netflix shows. I would like to do the same with some Netflix series. But first I would like to come to an agreement to begin the episodes articles for this show and see if we can make the articles if there is no problem, I hope. Sorry if I extended this a little. Ulises1126 (talk) 06:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I admire your optimism but some editors really do not like allowing individual articles for tv episodes (you'd think Wikipedia was at risk of running out of space) and they will try and get episode articles deleted or merged back into the main series or season articles (so if your goal was to create episode articles you've made it more difficult for yourself by creating the season articles first). WP:GNG the general notability guidelines apply. It is difficult to argue that each episode article is individually notable, and it is likely that some editors hold you to that high standard. Even shows with large obsessive fanbases like Star Trek or The Mandalorian have difficultly getting enough momentum to sustain individual articles. A lot of the old episode articles were not held to that higher standard at the time they were created and people have done just enough to maintain the articles but those old episode articles remain at risk of being deleted. Many of the Star Trek episode articles are low quality, and most of the Breaking Bad episode articles lack detail, with only a handful of references each. Netflix is big and popular but it not network television relying on a mass audience, it is specialist television behind a paywall, it should not be surprising that even some of their biggest shows have a limited audience and there isn't enough for individual episode articles on Wikipedia. Some episodes are more noteworthy than others, you have a better chance of creating standalone articles for more important episodes like the season premiere or the season finale. It is going to be difficult to create individual episode articles when there isn't that much coverage, for example on Rotten Tomatoes season 2 episode 1 only has 1 review listed, and similarly the other episodes in the series don't seem to have a lot of reviews available. There is definitely some potential for a few episodes articles, there is episode specific information that would not fit well anywhere else, for example all the work (choreography, stunts, vfx, etc) that went into the swordfight in Blaviken help justify a standalone article for the first episode. For other episodes it is going to be very difficult to justify a standalone article, and the most noteworthy thing about the second episode already has an article. If you start with DRAFT articles in your own userspace you might be able to gradually make it happen (and I recommend keeping your own draft copies even after you submit the articles for creation). It will be an uphill battle, best of luck. -- 109.76.128.143 (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Ulises. This is the #3 most watched show on the largest streaming service, not to mention a cultural sensation in some quarters, and synopses of individual episodes are useful. First, it is helpful for research purposes. Someone wanting to research an episode for cultural or other reasons should be able to identify in which episode a major plot point occurred, or a major character was introduced. This will allow them to quickly cite to the episode or pinpoint further research. Second, many wikipedia users find the synopses helpful in refreshing their knowledge of what happened in the series. I do not think the number of reviews found on a review aggregator is a useful metric for notability -- it often only shows whether reviewers were able to binge watch the series and write a compilation review, or whether they only had access to an episode at a time. 1000Splinters (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Agreement is beside the point, people willing to do the work and reliable sources are what is needed. I did not say that "the number of reviews found on a review aggregator is a useful metric for notability" I only used it to indicate the larger problem that even very popular shows do not get much coverage on a per episode basis, which makes it difficult to create articles for every episode that someone wont come along and try to delete it later. (I've spent enough time editing tv episode articles to see this, and you only need look at the critically acclaimed series Breaking Bad to see a whole lot of episode article lacking any substantial detail and there might even be potential for more good articles there but no one actively working on it.) The season premiers and finales offer the best chance to create standalone episode articles. -- 109.76.204.243 (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by that phrase "Agreement is beside the point" as one of the pillars of Wiki is consensus. In other words "Agreement is paramount". People who are willing to do the work must do so within the confines of consensus and the manual of style(s). There are plenty of people willing to do work and change articles into complete nonsense and trivia fests, but we discourage them as they are not going to result in a good encyclopaedia. Chaosdruid (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

This should be done in steps

1. Start with a single "Witcher episodes" page, that lists both seasons together.
2. Then, after the 3rd seaaon comes out, and if/when the episodes for all three seasons have summaries, then look at splitting the 'seasons' page into three individual pages, one per season.
3. Then at some point after that, if someone is ambitious enough to do it, start writing individual articles for each episode.

-- (jmho) - wolf 04:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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Cursing

There is quite some cursing in this series, which is noteworthy, and has indeed been noted in sources (e.g. here and this one from another angle). I think something about the cursing should be added to this article. Debresser (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

There's other websites that collate such information on such things for people who desire it.

E.g., https://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/the-witcher or

https://imdb.com/title/tt5180504/parentalguide/profanity

I don't think it's necessary to include here, The Witcher isn't significantly unusual in its usage of language to warrant highlighting this. Cyresse (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

In a digital encyclopedia with potentially limitless publishing space, please tell me why such information should not be included. This encyclopedia SHOULD include ratings in the template and guidelines for media. 174.73.130.175 (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Future

Why is there no mention that Season Four with Liam Hemsworth as Geralt is under production with a release date, or that an announcement was made that Season Five has been approved and will end the series? Other television and movie series often include such information. This should be consistent throughout Wikipedia, and is the entire reason I came to this page. 174.73.130.175 (talk) 14:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

• In the midst of filming the fourth season, Netflix renewed the series for a fifth and final season in April 2024.
• In October 2022, Netflix announced that Liam Hemsworth would be replacing Henry Cavill as Geralt of Rivia from the start of Season 4.
• The fourth season began filming in April 2024 at Longcross Studios in the UK.

Season 4 does not yet have a release date. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Book series name

@FactualChecker: You may discuss your reverted edits here. Cheers. -- Alex_21 _TALK 13:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)