Talk:Tim Frazier

GA Review

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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk · contribs) 20:49, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 20:49, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Initial comments

1. I've just completed an initial quick-read-through of the article and, in general, it appears to be at or about GA-level, so I'm moving on to the next stage and doing a full GAN review as per Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions, i.e. I'm specifically excluding a "quick fail".
2. I've not yet checked any citations; but putting this to one side, the WP:Lead does appear to be inadequate, so some work will be needed to bring it up to standard; I also suspect that the Early life section may need a bit of work done.
3. I'm now going to work my way through the article starting at Early life, going down to the end and then returning to do the Lead. At this stage of the review, I'm just going to high-light "problems" (bad points), but later I'll produce an overall summary, which will cover the good points Pyrotec (talk) 22:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Early life -

• Quite a short paragraph; but I'm not sure that "He would knock down trophies of his sister" accurately describes what is going on here. The source indicates that he was going that and challenging his sister to play games (which presumably the sister was more likely to win?).

• Early life issue fixed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Y Pyrotec (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

• High school career -

• It would be helpful to state when he was there, since it does not appear to be mentioned in the article (the info box does at least give: College Penn State (2009–2014)).
• It appears (?) that he was only there for two years, or perhaps played for only two years, as the section refers to junior year and senior year (also final year).
• The first paragraph has "explosive final year" which appears to be in breach of Wikipedia:IMPARTIAL. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons strictly applies and that calls for Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The quoted source uses "tremendous season", so unless you can produce a source for "explosive final year", it's going to have to be toned down to what the source claims.
• What is "District 17-5A", as in District 17-5A Defensive Player-of-the-Year? This technical term needs clarifying. Also, "points", "rebounds", "steals" and "assists".

• Since I cannot find any reliable sources that state that he played high school basketball for all four years, I feel like it is unreasonable to add any info about which years he spent playing for Strake Jesuit.
• I have deleted "explosive final year," simply replacing it with "final year."

• Y Pyrotec (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

• Points, rebounds, steals and assists are basic statistics in basketball. Seeing that a majority of the readers would have a sufficient basketball knowledge, explaining them would be unnecessary. Either way, I will go ahead and add links.

• Y Pyrotec (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

• "District 17-5A" is the district/conference in which Strake Jesuit plays high school sports. I feel like most readers would assume this noting that the word "district" is used. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Collegiate career -
  • Freshman -

• What is "a team-high 34-inch vertical", it looks like unexplained jargon? Also "6-of-11" and " 4-of-5"?

• A vertical is used by scouts to measure how high an athlete can jump, and team-high signifies that he recorded a higher vertical than any of his teammates. 6-of-11 and 4-of-5 mark how many shots Frazier missed and/or made in the game. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I added the wikilink to Vertical jump. Pyrotec (talk) 17:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• There is an uncited direct quotation:- The team coach, DeChellis, said, "(Tim) is a hard guy to contain. If he starts making perimeter shots, then we're that much better. We've seen him where he can make shots in practice and do pretty well. We just needed to get him some confidence and get him into the flow."

• Issue addressed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• N Sorry, I found another one: Frazier recalled the moment, "I closed out high end so he wouldn't be able to shoot over me. (He) made a great move, pivoted a couple of times and then stepped through." Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Citation has been added Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• • Sophomore -

• Is there a wikilink to explain turnovers? (Team-high, I know about, as its explained above). Turnovers first appears in Freshman, and I missed that one, so it aught to go there.

• Issue addressed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Y Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• "miscue guarding" as in "late miscue guarding appears to be another unexplained / unlinked technical term.

• I wouldn't consider "miscue guarding" a technical term, knowing that it isn't a basketball term. Absolutely no reason to link it to another wiki article. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• I had a look it up in a (paper) dictionary, so I went to wiktionary, it also appears Glossary of baseball (M) with a similar meaning to one of the (sports) uses in wiktionary. Since I don't know what it is being used for in this basketball (player) article, I'm adding a N. Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Otherwise looks OK.

• In this case, "miscue" does not relate to basketball. It just means that he made a mistake guarding another player. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• • Junior -

• There is an uncited direct quotation:- Pat Chambers, said in a post-game interview, "I'm very greedy. I'm an old point guard, so I want more out of Tim Frazier, if you can imagine ... what more means is even more leadership, even better habits. We're always trying to create the best habits we can for the most difficult situation."

• This quote is apparently cited, seeing that it is followed (after another sentence that cited the same source) by the citation of "Frazier Leads Lions Past Radford, 62-46." Temple of the Mousy (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• N. Non-compliance with WP:WIAGA 2.b. All direct quotations have to be cited. If you don't want to add citations, perhaps you should consider removing direct quotations. Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Citation has been added Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• • Redshirt -

• What's a redshirt in this context? I looked at Redshirt which did not really help, unless its one of the educational ones.

• "Redshirt" refers to Redshirt (college sports). Wikilink has been added. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Y Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• • Senior -

• Non-compliance with WP:WIAGA 2.b. The first paragraph has an uncited direct quotation: Pat Chambers said, "We are thrilled for him that he will have the opportunity to finish his career strong and again place himself among the top players in the nation."

• Issue has been addressed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• • College statistics -

• Completely uncited.

• Issue has been addressed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Professional career -

• Non-compliance with WP:WIAGA 2.b. Uncited direct quotation from Fraser

• Issue addressed Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Personal -

  OK.

• The Lead -

• This far to short and at present is non-compliant with WP:Lead. The first sentence is compliant, but the lead as a whole aught to be about two paragraphs long. Most of the sub-sections are single paragraphs, but they are quite long; and High school career is a multi-paragraphed.

• I will get to this in a moment Temple of the Mousy (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

.... to be continued (I need to think about this a bit more). Pyrotec (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Much improved. Thanks. At this stage I'm happy, so I'm moving on to a final decision. Pyrotec (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Overall summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   well illustrated.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Basketball is not one of the interests, but I learnt a few things about it reviewing this article. Overall the article is well-written and quite easy to read. Pyrotec (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm awarding this article GA-status. Congratulations on getting the article up to this standard. Pyrotec (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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