Talk:Tina Peters (politician)

Some of the charges are federal. TypingMadeSimple (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Chronology break up

I had originally broken the chronology to pre 2020 and post so that it is not one continuous block of text for ease of reading navigation, etc. but this was deleted for reasons unknown.

I suggest that the chronology be segmented for ease of navigating and reading, perhaps by year (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, etc) or investigation, then charges, the court dates, etc. as right now it is more or less a time line but a bit hard to follow and read.

Alternatively, there could be bolded bullet points at the start of each date to differentiate days and make a little easier to read. Would be curious how to make this a little more reader friendly.RevolutionaryAct (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Also part of a reorg, I'd suggest taking a cue from Mike Lindell's page, and breaking this Career section into Career and then Political Activities, et al. Rjmail (talk) 14:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I've thought now about the yearly-breakout suggestion, and looked at some other pages, and I think it might be better to organize by investigation or charge or something like that. I think readers would be less interested in what happened in 2022 than what happened with the ID theft charges, or her Lindell stuff, etc. Rjmail (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I worked / am working a bit on the WP:PROSELINE issue and breaking the sections into digestible subheads, but this is just a first attempt, as the information now is purely chronological and more work will be needed to splice it into meaningful subheads of relevant topics. TypingMadeSimple (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Personal info coverage

I consider it pretty usual/expected for a politician to give basic info about existence of immediate family, but I don't want to push unnecessary disclosures against their preferences. From just internet searching Peters actually seems mum about private life, AFAICT, though I don't know what she chooses to say in person at campaign appearances, etc. Campaign page, etc do not mention whether married or not, or any children. There is, at least locally in Grand Junction, awareness of military son's death, but perhaps-once-public obituary has been blanked i think. It is from mention in a blog or opinion piece possibly by a sympathetic critic or s possible opponent to Peters that i came to know about son. Who was mentioning in relation to speculation on Peters' motivations, state of mind, whether valid or not. And then it's easy to find coverage of accident and following investigation and memorial service, including mention of surviving father, mother, and sister, at least. I have seen no statement about status of father-mother relationship. I do think the current treatment in draft is okay, but am open to discussion. --Doncram (talk) 18:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

This personal-type information was nationally/internationally reported in the New Yorker article now cited, so it seems okay to keep it. --Doncram (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Curious focus on her personal life and no professional details...your sequences in writing style is hard to follow, at least for facts. 73.147.177.197 (talk) 02:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Her professional details are not in the personal life section: they are in the career section, which the article focuses on (it comes first) and is a couple times larger than the personal life section (which is near the end of the article, after all the career details). Did you have specific content you'd like to add/move/remove? Rjmail (talk) 13:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

categories

User:Kj cheetham tagged article calling for more/better categories. That was fair enough. Peters' national/international notability relates to "election denial" primarily. It has taken me a ton of time today to create definition of terms Election denier and Election denial and to set up related categories and begin to populate them (there is more to do, there are many instances of these terms in Wikipedia). I've added Category:American election deniers here, and also Category:Politicians from Grand Junction, Colorado or something like that, and will now remove the tag calling for more categories. Kj cheetham, feel free to comment here; you may or may not agree that my changes are enough. And thank you for your contribution in identifying the general problem. --Doncram (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Doncram, I've not looked closely, but happy that the tag was removed. Keep up the good work! -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Doncram In this article, I don't see the categories that you've added. If there's a category for American election deniers, then it should tag persons named in Election denial movement in the United States. rootsmusic (talk) 15:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Should this be added?

A Mesa County court has convicted Tina Peters of misdemeanor obstruction of a government operation, but has also acquitted her of the charge that she obstructed a police officer.[1]https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/03/politics/tina-peters-colorado-obstruction-mesa-county/index.html?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral Should this be added to the page? 174.130.211.224 (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

yes, it should be. She's been convicted of a criminal charge in Mesa County.Jack.B.2007 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate articles

This article is about a politician who has another article, Tina Peters. They should be merged and one deleted. Activist (talk) 11:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Is Peters a Scofflaw?

Well? ----MountVic127 (talk) 22:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe. But I wouldn’t denote her as one on Wikipedia, since it sounds more like a personal conclusion and so would push against things like WP:NPOV and WP:OR (unless you’re quoting some WP:RS) Rjmail (talk) 23:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there a better word than "scofflaw" for this crime?

Do election officials swear or afirm a special oath, in any country? If not then Tina Peters cannot have done anything wrong :-( :-( ----MountVic127 (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a Congressional Oath of Office, but what about a Local Government offices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlockHerd (talk • contribs) 22:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

References

"Convicted felon" as first description

"Convicted felon" is too generic. I don't think it's appropriate to MOS:BEGIN with that, maybe we could change it to "Tina Peters is an American former County Clerk of Mesa County, Colorado, and first election official in the U.S. convicted of criminal charges related to stolen election conspiracy theories surrounding the 2020 United States presidential election". Badbluebus (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Rjmail (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I've attempted to change the lede in a way that emphasizes she is not notable because she is a felon or a criminal, but because she was "the first elected official..." etc. I'd recommend more fixing as appropriate. Rjmail (talk) 22:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Too many times wiki-editors come out like sharks smelling blood in the water, and want to add "convicted felon" to the first paragraph. Personally, I feel "convicted felon" is a term that is more used after being let out from incarceration and only in certain contexts. I prefer language mentioning that they "were convicted" or "have been convicted of a felony" over labelling the person themselves.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 00:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I think you've done well in adding what she is most notable for. Jjazz76 (talk) 02:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Badbluebus Believe it or not, this was debated extensively on Trump's talk page, though it's been archived. Consensus shown in current version is no on "convicted felon". Seananony (talk) 14:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Education

The infobox references Ballotpedia, which cites Peters's Linkedin, which says she has a Bachelors (not a BA) in Holistic Nutrition from the non-accredited Clayton College of Natural Health. I've edited to specify that the education is non-accredited. I'm unsure if additional detail is warranted. ScienceFlyer (talk) 03:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I added some detail in the article ScienceFlyer (talk) 04:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

no federal charges

I deleted Federal - its a state charge — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.130.142.29 (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

there's now a booking photo

did I see somewhere that booking photos cannot be used? soibangla (talk) 22:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure myself, but I found this: Template:Mugshot Rjmail (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Also this is how they used Donald Trump's booking photo (uploaded to wikimedia via fair-use)

File:Donald Trump mug shot.jpg Rjmail (talk) 23:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

years ago a copyvio expert here told me WP does not acknowledge fair use, the policy seems like a minefield soibangla (talk) 23:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

See WP:MUG Ckoerner (talk) 19:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)