Talk:Titmouse, Inc.

Burbank Expansion and Netflix Relationship Edits

Hello: I work with Titmouse, Inc., and therefore have a COI relationship. I understand I am not able to make edits myself in adhering to Wikipedia’s rules, but feel there are some things that would improve the article overall. The items below are two that I think would improve the article and contribute to the company’s history. The source for both edits is the same and has been formatted. If both edits are posted at the same time, the second use of the source will need to be adjusted. I welcome any feedback, and appreciate the time of volunteer editors. Best JillTMouse (talk) 22:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Burbank Location In 2020, Titmouse added a second Los Angeles location, opening a 95,000 square foot studio space in Burbank, California, its fourth office in North America.

Netflix In early 2020, Titmouse signed a multiyear production deal with Netflix. JillTMouse (talk) 22:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I was pinged on my talk page with a request to review a COI but I'm currently away. I've added the COI request template to drop the request into the queue. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done The information about the Netflix deal was added. The information about the "second LA location" was not added, because at the time of the LA Times story, the lease was "expected to be signed" but had not yet been signed. Regards,  Spintendo  02:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:Spintendo for your feedback. I believe this article should cover your comments about the Burbank lease. Best, JillTMouse (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

JillTMouse (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

References

That source is paywalled and I cannot access it. Please provide the information from the source by placing it under the |quote= parameter of the citation. Regards,  Spintendo  20:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:Spintendo. I’ve inserted the quote into the formatted source as you’ve requested. Please let me know if I can do anything further. Best, JillTMouse (talk) 20:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for providing some of the text from the pay-walled article. However, there is a portion of text which preceded the quoted text which was not included under the |quote= parameter (e.g., the quoted text begins with the words "The move puts Netflix within spitting distance of Hollywood's animation giants". Those two words, "the move" indicate that there was text which came before this portion of the provided text which introduced the topic to the reader, in order to discuss "the move". For some unknown reason, that text was not included under the quote parameter as requested by the reviewer. The request cannot be reviewed if this pertinent text from the source is not provided. Regards,  Spintendo  19:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:Spintendo. In response to your latest comment, here is all the text that precedes the Titmouse, Inc. Burbank location content in the Business Journal article. Thank you JillTMouse (talk) 20:31, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

The text you placed under the |quote= parameter included the following: "Broker CBRE Group Inc. (NYSE: CBRE) confirmed to CoStar that the 351,300-square-foot building is now 100% leased. New York Life's real estate investment arm, which owns the property, confirmed that Netflix was the new lessee to CoStar." So then who confirmed to CoStar that Netflix was the new lessee, Broker CBRE or New York Life's real estate investment firm? Are these two entities one in the same? Or is it that Broker CBRE only confirmed that the building was leased (while not stating who was the lessee) and then it was left to New York Life's real estate investment firm to finally confirm who the lessee was. It's not entirely clear. Please advise. Regards,  Spintendo  23:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding Annual 5 Second Day Event

Hello: The 5 Second Day event started in 2008 has become a part of Titmouse’s tradition. It has turned into an annual event/screening that is open to the public. I’m wondering if the addition of this topic would improve the history section of the Titmouse page. Thank you for your time. Best, JillTMouse (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

In 2008, Shannon Prynoski came up with the idea to give employees a paid day off to develop their own animated shorts. The idea evolved into an annual event called 5 Second Animation Night. Initially, the shorts were screened for the employees in the lobby of their offices. The event has since grown to include screenings for the public in Los Angeles, New York City, and Vancouver, BC, where Titmouse’s studios are located. While some of these shorts have gone on to become full pitches for feature-length projects, the Prynoskis say they still see the showcase and the tradition of putting it on annually as an opportunity to empower and inspire their colleagues. JillTMouse (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

In order to include this event, it should be independently notable in Wikipedia (meaning it should have its own Wikipedia page). The two sources which were provided as the references for this information appear to repeat information which was provided to the sources by the company or its agents (i.e., interviews with subjects associated with the company) other than being a journalistic account of the event spontaneously reported on by the source references. Companies have many ways of enticing reports on events which they wish to promote. These interviews with sources where the subjects give the sources the information verbally through interviews are one such way. Requiring that the event be independently notable is a good way of ensuring that the event is important enough to be discussed in the company's article. Regards,  Spintendo  19:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Spintendo I am not following. It is a common practice to merge and redirect pages about people, companies, products that fail to meet the criteria for GNG to have its own article. Also, if the contents are too sparse and there's a very clear appropriate parent article to put it under, that's another situation for merge & redirect. If an article ends up being created about an event that is more notable than a passing interest, but not nearly enough for a standalone Wikipedia article own and end up at AfD, the deletion often ends up failing and closing as merge to the host/sponsor per WP:ATD-M. I feel it's better to just build it in the article than end up with an article being created about it. What you said about needing to have own article is more applicable for including things into a more prominent article, for example, an annual festival of a sort into Los Angeles, or a person into List of Stanford University people Graywalls (talk) 23:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Spintendo and User:Graywalls: I have researched Wikipedia’s guidelines to find a rule stating that a company’s events need to be independently notable in order to be listed on the article about them, and am not finding anything that states this. 5 Second Day has been a part of Titmouse’s history for 15 years. I’ve included a rewrite about the event and added a new citation that does not include any interview content. I would appreciate a fresh look at this. Best, JillTMouse (talk) 20:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

In 2008, the owners of Titmouse Inc. decided to invite everyone at the company to create their own 5 second animated short. The studio closed its offices for a day so staff could focus on their projects. Since then, the annual screenings, in New York, Los Angeles, and Vancouver, have become open to the public.

The annual event is deeply woven into the company’s culture, and as of 2022, more than 1,000 5 Second Day animated shorts had been made by Titmouse employees.

@JillTMouse:, please write a few sentences neutrally describing it as you wish to appear in the article and specific citations to sources. Graywalls (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Graywalls: Thank you for your reply. Below in bold is what I shared in my last post. Will this suffice? If you feel the last sentence doesn’t meet the neutral tone rules, we could remove “:The annual event is deeply woven into the company’s culture, and” and start that sentence with “As of 2002…” Best, JillTMouse (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

In 2008, the owners of Titmouse Inc. decided to invite everyone at the company to create their own 5 second animated short. The studio closed its offices for a day so staff could focus on their projects. Since then, the annual screenings, in New York, Los Angeles, and Vancouver, have become open to the public.

The annual event is deeply woven into the company’s culture, and as of 2022, more than 1,000 5 Second Day animated shorts have been made by Titmouse employees.

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Filmography section concerns

I am concerned the entire section is overwhelmingly based on Titmouse itself and other sources that do not meet WP:RS. I've looked into the articles of several of blue link articles and good number of them don't even mention Titmouse. The amount of space taken up by the list in proportion to the article size and the flimsy sourcing suggests WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTADIRECTORY concerns. Graywalls (talk) 18:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

NY & Burbank Locations

Hello User:Graywalls: I noticed that the content about the New York City studio is missing a citation. I believe this article should work for that content, as well as the previous request about adding the Burbank studio. Thank you, I really appreciate your time! JillTMouse (talk) 21:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

JillTMouse (talk) 21:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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Filmography sections deleted

Hello, I am a new user on Wikipedia. I’ve noticed an error on this page. The filmography section for Titmouse, Inc. was deleted for the wrong reasons. I feel like we need to fix this. We should link every evidence that the animation studio was involved in the making in the production of movies, TV shows, etc. Thank you. XyloQuip289 (talk) 19:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

See the explanation in this guideline. We don't do catalogs like this. Lists of creative works are permitted. Thus, for example, Wikipedia should not include a list of all books published by HarperCollins, but may include a bibliography of books written by HarperCollins author Veronica Roth. Graywalls (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, I still don’t think it was appropriate to have the filmography section deleted. I think it’s a better idea to link some proof that the animation studio is involved rather than have the section gone. XyloQuip289 (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I think we should bring it back and update it, good idea? XyloQuip289 (talk) 02:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Nope, no lists of products by a company, such as Titmouse. Graywalls (talk) 05:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Lists are allowed on Wikipedia as long as it’s credible, right? Is Wikipedia the only place that evidence should be found? Yeah, we should bring back the list and keep it and update it for credibility that the studio was involved. Titmouse isn’t a big book publishing company, it’s an animation studio. Movie studios such as Disney or Universal or Warner Bros. lists films that they’ve done. Why not delete their lists? XyloQuip289 (talk) 15:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Read this Wikipedia:UNDUE If you can prove a theory that few or none believe, Wikipedia is not the place to present such proof. Once it has been presented and discussed in sources that are reliable, it may be appropriately included. See "No original research" and "Verifiability". and this Wikipedia:NOTADIRECTORY Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to compare prices and availability of competing products or a single product from different vendors. XyloQuip289 (talk) 16:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I fully support the retention of the list of works by Titmouse. Graywalls is incorrect. Other animation studios, like J.C.Staff, Bones in Japan, Bento Box Entertainment, MTV Animation, Stoopid Buddy Stoodios, and Williams Street have lists, so it is right to keep the list. Anyone who wants to delete such a list is running afoul of Wikipedia rules. As long as the list is formatted to reflect those lists, it should be fine. (update: I finished this process with this edit and this edit, bringing the lists in-line with how lists for other animation studios are structured). Also, it does a disservice to readers to remove such a list. Historyday01 (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Historyday01:, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST is not a good argument. Please provide which "rules" you're claiming to be afoul of by wanting to remove things. In WP:NOTPRICE, it specifically says artists/creatives should have a list, but list of products by a publisher for example should not be included. Graywalls (talk) 01:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not running afoul of any rules, so I'm not sure what you mean in your second sentence. I stand by inclusion of the list. It serves the readers right to include a list of shows that an animation studio worked on. I would not say such shows are "products" per say. And to cite "WP:NOTPRICE" to justify the removal of a lists which would help readers (that ALWAYS should be a concern when we are working on pages) is not right. Historyday01 (talk) 01:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

You stated "Anyone who wants to delete such a list is running afoul of Wikipedia rules" I am asking you to cite the rules you have in mind. Graywalls (talk) 01:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Historyday01: as I forgot to ping you above. Graywalls (talk) 09:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, when you said “In WP:NOTPRICE, it specifically says artists/creatives should have a list,” You went inconsistent by also saying “but list of products by a publisher for example should not be included” thus deleting the filmography section.” I already said Titmouse isn’t a publishing company. They are known as “artists/creatives” by being an “animation studio”. I don’t want have to keep tapping the sign. XyloQuip289 (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to compare prices and availability of competing products or a single product from different vendors. Lists of creative works are permitted. Thus, for example, Wikipedia should not include a list of all books published by HarperCollins, but may include a bibliography of books written by HarperCollins author Veronica Roth.. The massive list that dominates this article is simialar to that of a movie studio's releases, rather than that of an actors'. Graywalls (talk) 18:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I have solicited for additional participation to this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Requesting_comment_on_product_listing Graywalls (talk) 09:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Sources for Unsourced Content

Hello: I see that the 2nd paragraph in the article about Metalocalypse through Motorcity doesn’t include sources. I have found some and formatted them here which I thought might be helpful in improving the article. As I have declared previously, I work for Titmouse and therefore have a COI relationship and am unable to add these sources myself. Thank you! JillTMouse (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

“Due to projects with Cartoon Network's Adult Swim like Metalocalypse, Superjail! and The Venture Bros.. the company expanded and opened a sister studio in New York City in 2010. The California studio later added a wholly owned subsidiary, Robin Redbreast, which was then unionized in order to produce Motorcity for Disney XD. JillTMouse (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Encoded Talk to me! 23:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Burbank Studio Space

Hello: Adding the latest studio location could improve this article, so all locations are included. Can this be edited/added: Titmouse has studios in Los Angeles, Burbank, New York City, and Vancouver. The formatted source below, which is already used in the article, should cover all four locations. I’m also wondering if the article would benefit from some section headings? Thank you in advance. JillTMouse (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTPRICES Things to avoid include: store locations, office locations, equipment, asset. Graywalls (talk) 17:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

JillTMouse (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Studio Projects

Hello: Can we include some projects of the studio in the article about Titmouse? Thank you JillTMouse (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC) In 2020, Titmouse and Netflix co-produced the Pendleton Ward and Duncan Trussell-created series The Midnight Gospel, which aired on Netflix that same year. In 2022, Titmouse animated an episode of the sci-fi anthology series Love Death and Robots titled “Kill Team Kill.” That same year, Titmouse worked with Critical Role to co-produce and serve as the animation studio for the Amazon Prime Video series The Legend of Vox Machina.

In 2022, Titmouse co-produced the Emmy-nominated spinoff series, The Boys Presents: Diabolical with Amazon Prime Video, and the Star Trek comedy Star Trek Lower Decks for Paramount+. JillTMouse (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding this as is would lead to some confusion with the existing paragraphs (sentences) that start with "In 2020" and "In 2022" already in the article. Ideally the major productions would be presented in chronological order, and there would be some indication of what makes these particular works significant; for example, was The Midnight Gospel part of the aforementioned "multiyear production deal with Netflix"? Can it be used to provide some context for that standalone sentence? Reconrabbit 12:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Thank you for your clarifying questions User:Reconrabbit regarding these edits. I have been thinking that this article is one long series of paragraphs. Maybe this is the time to start dividing it up a bit? Above the line about the Netflix production deal, can we put in a section header called Partnerships and then have all of this follow? There is content regarding projects with Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Paramount+, and Green Street Pictures.

Then perhaps the last two paragraphs could be called Unionizing or Animation Guild, or something that defines them separately? Thank you again for your feedback! JillTMouse (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Titmouse and Netflix co-produced the Pendleton Ward and Duncan Trussell-created series The Midnight Gospel, which aired on Netflix in 2020. Also for Netflix, Titmouse animated an episode of CBS Studios’ sci-fi anthology Netflix series Love Death and Robots titled “Kill Team Kill.”

Titmouse worked with Critical Role and [[Amazon MGM Studios] ]to co-produce and serve as the animation studio for the Amazon Prime Video series The Legend of Vox Machina.

Titmouse also co-produced the Emmy-nominated spinoff series, The Boys Presents: Diabolical with Amazon Prime Video.,

Titmouse is the animation studio for the Star Trek Paramount+ comedy Star Trek Lower Decks.

Green Street Pictures and Titmouse.produced the adult animated science fiction television series Scavengers Reign which premiered on Max in 2023, with Chris Prynoski serving as an executive producer.

 Done The text has been added in as close a form to how it was written here with some modifications to formatting and to avoid repetition. See the current revision to view the specific changes that were made. Reconrabbit 12:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Addition of Star Wars project

Below is an edit about a project with Disney and Lucasfilm that I think would improve the article. Thank you and best, JillTMouse (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC) In 2018, Titmouse became the studio behind the Disney and Lucasfilm Youtube series of one-minute shorts, Star Wars: Galaxy of Adventures. The series is directed by Titmouse’s Barry Kelly. JillTMouse (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Reconrabbit 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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Beavis and Butt-Head Reboot

Hello:

Titmouse has also partnered with Paramount+ on the reboot of Beavis and Butt-Head, and I think this would help improve the partnership section. The edit and formatted source are below. Thank you JillTMouse (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Titmouse teamed up with Paramount+ for a reboot of Beavis and Butt-Head that debuted in 2022. JillTMouse (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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