Talk:Tony Kornheiser

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Was Tony really born in 1948? I remember hearing he was in his sixties. -Mr. Tony was born in 1948. He is currently 57. -My mistake...anyone see that article with him in USA Today about fear-of-flying?

Mr. Tony wasn't 'let go' from ESPN. He left of his own volition, claiming burn-out. He's on WTEM only locally (and Internet feeds) because his contract with ESPN Radio won't let him go national until the original contract expires. That needs correction. -Then how do you explain his XM Deal?

Weingarten article?

The Weingarten article was a joke. Perhaps remove that citation? Cubemonkey 03:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. MDfoo 17:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

59 edits in 18 minutes

See, that's what will happen when you mention Wikipedia on your show. --RobbieFal 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hilarious. Quadzilla99 23:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Tony Kornheiser and Mr. Michael Wilbon are by far the best sports writers with the best show on TV. I just wanted to thank them for all that they have done for the sports community!

Tony and Wilbon are the greatest pair together on telelvision. When talking about personal or social issues involving athletes/celebrities, Wilbon reminds me of a prison warden and Tony as the social or aid worker in the prison. They both want the same end results for the people they talk about to overcome their difficulties and hardships or emotional struggles, they just have different ideas and ways of thinking to not only achieve that but also of creating an atmosphere of protecting each and everyone's individual liberties and civil rights in our country. Tony my mother is a therapist who does social work for mentally retarded and psychotic people and I am trying to get her to watch your show with me, but she isnt too fond of sports television. Maybe if you mention this on her show she will watch. (That comment Wilbon made a few years back about the Pirates maybe having a good year because they had a pitcher named Snell, and you deriding him by saying "Who is Snell" and then affectionately putting him down was hilarious.)

Birthday

On Pardon The Interruption today (March 19, 2007), Tony Kornheiser siad today (March 19) was his birthday (not July 13).

Ed White

He's been saying everyday is his birthday. He's a jokester. MDfoo 23:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Tony's parents.

Is it really necessary to note that Kornheiser's parents are both deceased? He's 59 years old, so this isn't very remarkable or notable. Faithlessthewonderboy 21:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section

As a longtime Kornheiser follower, I really believe his over-the-top response to criticism is made primarily for comedic effect and doesn't genuinely reflect his temperament. This a subtle distinction that should be considered for mention in this section.

Kornheiser deftly adopts different personalities on PTI, MNF and his radio show. The radio show, where all the referenced comments are made except one, is where he is most curmudgeonly. The exception is the Dave McKenna incident described in the NYT article, though I cannot find the original McKenna column in question or any other primary sources referring to the incident.

Anyone else share the same take? Suggestions for citations to support the argument? One example might be Kornheiser's repeated on-air ripping of occasional PTI co-host Dan LeBatard, whom he seems to like nonetheless and continues to keep as the primary backup for the show. Jim Lipsey (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm a Kornheiser fan, and agree with you that most of what he says is tongue-in-cheek. However, that isn't for us to decide; we can't interpret the meaning behind what he says, all we can do is write about what has happened. Cheers, faithless (^speak) 20:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree this isn't for us to decide, which is why I recommend adding the alternative viewpoint and allowing the reader to decide. As currently written, this section leaves only the impression that Kornheiser is mean and vindictive. It doesn't mention that this behavior may simply be part of his shtick.Jim Lipsey (talk) 00:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree. Obviously, he is friends with LeBatard, but I believe his disagreements with Paul Farhi and Deborah Howell are genuine and not part of a shtick. He seems to have thin skin when being criticized, and hold grudges from them. MDfoo (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

While I think that part of what he says is in jest (like threatening physical violence), I agree that he is serious in his dislike towards these guys (Lebatard obviously excluded). The thing is, Jim Lipsey, that only these disagreements have happened, so that's all we can write about. Us writing something which suggests something else would be original research (unless, of course, you have a source for it). faithless (^speak) 13:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Kornheiser and Canada

On his Twitter account, Tomy Kornheiser is said to be a "proud Canadian", so I thought "Oh, okay, so that's why he waves the Canadian flag at the end of 'Pardon the Interruption'. But he can't be...his strong, rich, unmistakable New York accent...oh, well." In this article there is no mention of Kornheiser's relationship, if existent, with Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pr.Dr.PediatricianPh.D. (talk • contribs) 04:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thursday, January 8th, 2015

In the wake of a cold spell in the Washington, co-host Victoria Clarke asked the others on the show why when the temperature increases from 4 or 5 degrees to 11 degrees it does not "feel twice as warm?"

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=580&f=3827973 (discussion begins around 04:30)

None of the others attempted an explanation, seemingly baffled, but all concurred that "it should feel twice as warm" -(04:43)

A fine example of the caliber of radio personalities - shouldn't this be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.179.181.238 (talk) 22:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Eh, probably not. In any case it wouldn't go here, but on the radio talk show page The Tony Kornheiser Show. MDfoo (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It contains copyright infringements - CopyVio comes up clean. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - clean Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - clean Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Links

• Three links have issues. 105 has conection issues, as does 142. 140 is likely dead, and needs archiving/tagging as dead. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Lots of references are missing accessdates. These should be in addition to archivedates? no? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• No dablinks Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove all external links, aside from the official website. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• "He is best known for his endeavors in three forms of media:" - Not a fan of this type of sentence, especially in the lede of an article. What sources say he is best known for this? Better off to say that he's a presenter in three types of media. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Not a fan of quotes in ledes. If it must be kept, just say that John Walsh called him the "most multitalented person ever". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Lede is quite short for such a long article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Early life

• A few simple sentences here. Not sure what the prose gains regarding Kornheiser speaking well about being at college, or about his father cutting dresses. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Print career

• which were a Tuesday column and a Thursday column - shorten to Tuesday and Thursday column. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• ESPN Radio in 1997 and kept his column at the Post - Whilst retaining his column. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Should the writing style not go at the end of this whole section? This is like a career section, with a reception section in the middle of seasons. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• a string of now-famous Bandwagon Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• I haven't read the MOS for American football, but using the word "trounced" isn't WP:NPOV in my eyes. whitewashed is fine though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• He called these short columns "columnettes," - punctuation goes outside of quotes, unless the whole sentence is a quote. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The quotes are a little excessive. Kornheiser repeated his account: "Raju Narisetti fired me from the Washington Post and I hate his guts.", could easily be summarized, with "hate his guts" as the quoted statement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Radio and podcast career

• "streamed live on the station's website, ESPN980.com" - broadcast not streamed. And the website name is not relevent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• There was originally a 24-hour "podcast delay," a source of many jokes amongst fans and show members alike.[51] The delay ended in 2015, allowing listeners to download episodes a few minutes after the live broadcast. - The article really doesn't explain why this is important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The podcast-only show is produced in partnership with sports talent agency IMG and on-demand audio company DGital Media.[58] The podcast is available at 11 a.m. ET via iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn.[59] - Smacks of advertising to me Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Throughout its many iterations, a central quality of the show has been its eagerness to discuss issues other than sports, including news, politics, entertainment, and the idiosyncrasies of modern life - More promotion. remove the word quality. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• In its early years, the show amassed a large and loyal following that remains to this day.[2][62] - NPOV issues again here, large is subjective. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The whole final paragrph here needs pruning. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Television Career

• The image you have, should have Pardon the Interruption in full. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "popular" and "local hero" fail WP:NPOV Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• You don't need to write abbreviated, nor wikilink the abbreviation. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Unlink podcast, it's been discussed ad nasuem before. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "sports... and other stuff" - Is this a section of the show? Seems like WP:FANCRUFT. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "When Monday Night Football moved from ABC to ESPN, Kornheiser received and accepted an offer to be a color analyst on Monday Night Football in early 2006" - Remove the second mention of the show. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• when play-by-play man - play-by-play commentator Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• wikilink NBC, it's not mentioned in the article before this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• " he in fact spent a five-week period on the road traveling to mainly western MNF sites, doing PTI via satellite." - he spent a five-week... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• last two paragraphs seem out of joint. It says he returned for a second season, then a quote that he would "love to come back", then it says he left. ?? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Entertainment

• The 2004–2005 sitcom Listen Up! - Generally shows are denoted by their first showing, not the entire range. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Kornheiser is quoted as saying: "Did I always want to be part of a restaurant? No. But now with a podcast and trying to own my own content, the ability to put it on during the mornings or during the day and to have other people use it, that would be fun for me."[95] - quote seems redundant Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• he continues to do so, and many fans of the show visit the restaurant to listen live - wording is very fan service. Say something like "presently, listeners can visit the restaurant to listen to the podcast live." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Personal life

• All of the information from the white house visits should come here, if it's important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "He regularly goes to bed early.[19][107] He can name all fifty U.S. states and their capitals in alphabetical order." - WP:TRIVIA Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Criticism

• This should really go above the personal life section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• read WP:copyediting reception sections. The section should certainly start with a generalisation of how he's been recieved. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove the "general" subsection. It's implied. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Mike Golic – an ESPN colleague of Kornheiser's who had expressed skepticism regarding the latter's prospects as an on-air analyst because he was never an athlete[118] – said that Kornheiser's performance on MNF was "fine." - The sentense prose is wrong. Try Mike Golic – an ESPN colleague of Kornheiser's -had expressed skepticism regarding the latter's prospects as an on-air analyst because he was never an athlete[118] later said that Kornheiser's performance on MNF was "fine." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The final sentence seems to either be in jest, or that the original claim was sarcastic. It doesn't seem to explain this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Should mention that ESPN Deportes is broadcast in Spanish. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The article doesn't explain what is wrong with the comment. Seems like it was simply a joke. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• All quotes need to be in speech marks. I'd ask if this quote was neccesary... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• These quotes are ridiculous. I'd also need some explination as to why/where Kornheiser would comment on the bicycles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Just for reference, Wikipedia isn't censored. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The last paragraph doesn't seem to belong. It's not got any controversy associated with it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Honors

• this needs to be turned into paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove "such notable names as" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Books

• Rename to "publications" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Notes & References

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

Overall, the article needs some work. I'll place this on hold, and give you up to 7 days to make the changes required. The article in general needs a copy edit, things like having too many (and too long) quotes borders on copyright. There's also a lot of cases of speech marks being used after punctuation incorrectly. I've also highlighted quite a few cases of WP:NPOV violations.

Please let me know if anything I've said above isn't clear. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Year of marriage

There are a lot of websites out there (not sure if any of them are credible) that say Korheiser was married in 1973. In his book, The Baby Chase, he writes, "In 1978, after six years of marriage..." (p, 83). That would place his year of marriage as 1972. Later in the book he writes, "I was twenty-three and Karril was twenty-one when we married" (p. 133) and "... at twenty-three, I married..." (p.181). Using his date of birth, he turned 23 in 1971 and then turned 24 in 1972. This makes it most likely that he was married in 1972, but if the wedding was very late in the year 1971, that would be consistent with these three passages. Either way, he didn't get married in 1973. I have removed the year of marriage from the article. 134.41.101.166 (talk) 22:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)