Talk:Traffic signs in post-Soviet states

Notes from New Page review

IMO the current title "Comparison of traffic signs in post-Soviet states" inherently makes this a personal essay and likely not wp:notable. I plan to move it "Traffic signs in post-Soviet states to resolve that problem and then wikify it a bit. North8000 (talk) 02:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Nice work. I moved it so solve various problems. Happy editing!

North8000 (talk) 02:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Arbitrary grouping?

WWBM, North8000: Frankly, I find this article a potential candidate for deletion. It has a major problem:

• The article covers an arbitrarily chosen historical grouping of states ("post-Soviet"), but it is no longer a political reality. It doesn't exist and it's arbitrarily chosen (why not Eastern Bloc? Eastern Europe? Central Asia? Caucasus? how about traffic signs in the former British Empire? or former Spanish colonies?). Is "traffic signs in post-Soviet states" a thing (meeting WP:N criteria and having WP:RS on the subject itself)?
• More to the point: the article implies that such group is homogenous or somehow relevant. However, it is simply not the case. The signs are standardized by the Vienna Convention and you will find them very similar across Europe in general. Yes, once upon a time these states did inherit the Soviet standard, but that is long gone: each state has its own standards and they are not being harmonizedin any way within this group of states.

At the very minimum, I would suggest to rename the "Traffic signs in post-Soviet states" to "Traffic signs in Commonwealth of Independent States". At least in theory, CIS (and Eurasian Economic Union) are supposed to have some kind of harmonization through the common regulations and standards. -- Mindaur (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Mindaur Thanks for the ping. I think that you have more expertise in the topic area than I do and will leave it to you and other editors here to make any big decisions and to you and everyone to edit. I was just the NPP reviewer. If you are referring to passage under the NPP review, the criteria is allowance to exist as a separate article per the policies and guidelines that place conditions on that existence, with anticipated result at AFD being a gauge/guide. IHMO this article passed per that criteria. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I have to disagree on the arbitrariness of the article. Consider that these 15 now-independent states were for nearly 50 years one country. The article serves to highlight the origin, similarities, and divergences since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Surely that is a valid topic of interest, and more valid than some of the others like the so-called "MUTCD-influenced signs" table, which has bloated to contain numeours countries whose signs have absolutely nothing to do with the MUTCD even tangentially. The "English speaking countries" table similarly has, in my opinion, no tangible connection between the countries selected. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it's true. Indeed, more than 30 years have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Almost a year ago, I got the idea to create an article about road signs in post-Soviet countries and later translated to Russian. This year I spent a lot of my free time to creating missing SVG images of road signs and uploading them to Wikimedia, writing new articles about road signs in various countries, made additions to already existing ones. I also have created a separate article about road signs in the Soviet Union. WWBM (talk) 22:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced and unexplained "Color differences"

Road signs are physical objects. Their colors would definitely not be specified as RGB/hex values, as they are only relevant for screens. The laws might refer to some other color space (e.g. those defined by CIE) or define the colors in some other way. How were the RGB values determined? If they were taken from PDFs of the laws or SVGs from Wikipedia, it is not a valid comparison — the color chosen for the drawings might be arbitrary and does not reflect the real color of the signs. Kwpolska ^{(spam me/contributions)} 13:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)