Talk:Transgender health care
Latest comment: 1 month ago by Raladic in topic 12-fold higher frequency of suicide
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Requested move 20 August 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Transgender health care → Transgender healthcare – For this type of article, "healthcare" is preferred over "health care". See below for details. Jruderman (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
"Healthcare" is more common in longer titles:
"Health care" is more common in shorter titles:
— Jruderman (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Discussion & !votes
edit- Nominated to move based on the core article title criteria of consistency and concision. Jruderman (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 2016 move, adding the space, was not discussed. Jruderman (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- An informal move discussion on sibling page Talk:Intersex_healthcare did not result in adding a space to the other article. Jruderman (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - I asked on the other page if that one should be moved to Intersex health care to be consistent with this page (given that this page here on Transgender health care has existed a lot longer, the Intersex health care was literally just created days ago) so now this inverse move proposal seems counterintuitive. Beyond that the arguments that one form is more common than the other doesn't seem to be supported by fact. Merriam Webster says "health care" with (healthcare) being synonymous for it. There are plenty of longer form titles on Wikipedia that use it with a space, so overall, it seems that it's just a choice of article authors if anything. So if you wanted to propose a singular form across Wikipedia to consolidate, this would probably be more appropriate to be done through a Wikipedia wide RFC somewhere else, not this individual article talk space. Examples of with the space for "longer titles" (basically just the first page of searching for "health care" on Wiki): Health care provider, Universal health care, Primary health care, Health care reform, Health care in France, Clinton health care plan of 1993, Health care in Australia. So we don't seem to currently have one standard over the other. Raladic (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
12-fold higher frequency of suicide
editAccording to a study conducted in 56 U.S. healthcare facilities from 2003 to 2023, involving a total of 90 million patients, those who underwent sex-change surgery showed a 12-fold higher frequency of suicide rates than the control population (See doi:10.7759/cureus.57472) 176.200.65.237 (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are no concerns about that in the current WP article. It must be integrated into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.200.65.237 (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- The paper's conclusion is at best misleading, and was corrected after various groups used it to push misinformation. The control population is the general population, not trans people who have not undergone gender-affirming surgery, so the study's findings are ostensibly that suicide is more common among transgender people. It has nothing to say on how gender-affirming changes suicide rates among transgender patients—existing research (see the summary at Gender-affirming surgery#Quality of life) shows that it does not negatively affect quality of life. If cited on this article (not recommended, for the aforementioned reason), we should make this abundantly clear. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 01:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, the paper draws the wrong conclusion as they lacked to actually have a control group of transgender people who have not undergone gender-affirming surgery.
- The fact that suicide risk is generally higher in the transgender population compared to the general population is already well known and studied and also discussed in the article as such.
- So, I agree that due to the wrong conclusion of this paper for lack of comparing the right data, it doesn't appear warranted to be included at this point. Raladic (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)