Talk:Treaty of Mungi-Shevgaon

Maratha

The Marathas were clearly not an mast Empire, they deny being a Confederacy...therefore they should just be called Marathas````182.182.56.188 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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removed for POV; see WP:POV.

The Palkhed campaign of 1728, is notable for two reasons. First, this campaign has been chosen as brilliant in strategy ("A masterpiece of strategic mobility...") by Field Marshal Montgomery in his book, A History of Warfare. Whether this was a completely pre-planned strategy, or clever improvization in response to circumstances, is not known. Secondly, the success of this campaign established the Maratha supremacy in the Deccan – and gave way for further adventures.

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Battle of Palkhed?

There was no battle between the Nizam and the Peshwa at Palkhed in 1728. The Nizam's camp got surrounded by the Peshwa's army and Nizam signed a treaty named 'Mungi-Shevgaon'. The title is misleading and the infobox is irrelevant. Ajayraj890 (talk) 08:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Deb, Could you please assess the reliability of this article? The title, 'Battle of Palkhed,' is misleading because there was no actual battle at Palkhed in 1728 between the Nizam and the Peshwa; it was, in fact, a peace treaty. The article's title, infobox templates, and questionable sources all contribute to this misleading information. Ajayraj890 (talk) 13:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd be happy to move or delete this article but I would need to understand better what actually happened. If I moved it into your user space, would you be prepared to re-word it to make it more accurate? Deb (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@DebFirst, let me explain what actually happened during the Battle of Palkhed. Contrary to its name, it wasn't a battle at all. In fact, there was no battle at Palkhed. In short, the Nizam's army became surrounded by the Peshwa's army, and both sides eventually signed a treaty. However, this page has disseminated misleading information suggesting that Baji Rao defeated the Nizam. Many people have used this as a reference, and this misinformation has spread widely. Even authors have cited this article as a source in their books without verifying its reliability. To clarify, one should consult older and more dependable sources for accurate information on the topic. It would be better if you moved the article to the title 'The Treaty of Mungi-Shevgaon,' though the context would be limited. Alternatively, I could include information about this event in the articles of Nizam, Baji Rao, and Sambhaji II, allowing you to eventually delete this article. It's already quite late, as many people are using it as a reference. However, this article should be relocated from the mainspace because its title is inherently misleading.

Ajayraj890 (talk) 14:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@DebDeb , you can move this into draftspace by changing the name to 'The treaty of Mungi-Shevgaon'. Else you can delete this because the context will be very less. I prefer the first option. Ajayraj890 (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

You can keep this treaty page but don't interfere with the Battle of Palkhed Article.

Because otherwise I'll have to restore it back again and again. Plus it would be best we do not redirect any of these 2 articles and keep it separated. Thewikiuser1999 (talk) 01:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

There was no battle at Palkhed. It is irrelevant to use that title. Ajayraj890 (talk) 03:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

There was a battle which is why Nizam was forced to submit and pay taxes, BajiRao Peshwa cornered him strategically, don't mess with these articles or redirect from now. Let them stay separate if that's how you understand. Thewikiuser1999 (talk) 03:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

The treaty and campaigns have a seperate article. There is no need to create an article called 'Battle of Palkhed', where it claims Nizam was defeated in a battle. Ajayraj890 (talk) 04:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

All is included in that Battle page don't worry. You can enjoy this new treaty page of yours. Thewikiuser1999 (talk) 04:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Btw Henry George Briggs was a British Merchent and Traveler not a known Historian, his sources are far from valid let alone contemporary because he happened in very late age. Thewikiuser1999 (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, we can't use that according to WP:RAJ. Ajayraj890 (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes which is why I removed his sources which you added according to WP:RAJ Thewikiuser1999 (talk) 18:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

It was present in the older version of that article. Thanks for removing that. Ajayraj890 (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)