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Trawling

Internet Troll actually refers to TRAWLING. As in: trawling for an argument. 2607:FEA8:7CE1:DA00:104A:4F5E:6D50:1E86 (talk) 02:42, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

article title

The qualifier "(slang") seems awkwardly antiquated given that this is the main usage of this word in modern times. If some disambiguation is needed, then wouldn't something like "Troll (rhetoric)" or "Troll (behavior)" be more informative as a title? DKEdwards (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Troll emoji

Maybe the addition of the TROLL 🧌 emoji in Unicode 14.0 in 2021 can be added here? (Emojipedia link: https://emojipedia.org/troll#technical) Pompom the o (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 1 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is no clear consensus to move the article to Internet troll. The supporters and opposers are almost evenly matched, and both sides have valid points. The article may need further improvement and clarification to reflect the scope and usage of the term in different contexts. Alternatively, a different title, such as trolling, may be more acceptable to both sides, but that would require a new discussion and proposal. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Troll (slang) → Internet troll – “Troll” in this usage is almost exclusively used on the internet and is highly associated with the internet قطة ذات عيون كبيرة (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – Hilst [talk] 14:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Reasonable natural disambiguation. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 05:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article says "online and in real life". This naming eliminates half of what the article is about. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support. This term is almost exclusively used to refer to people on the internet. Alexander Shipfield (talk) 03:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

That is definitively wrong. Just put troll into a news search and you will come up with plenty of usage of "troll" in a real-life context. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Internet troll is a subset of Troll (slang). --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 17:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Internet culture has been notified of this discussion. – Hilst [talk] 14:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Wikipedia has been notified of this discussion. – Hilst [talk] 14:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom – "trolling" in this sense is almost exclusively performed over or modulated through the Internet, even when it aims to achieve real-world objectives (e.g. influencing politics). Also concur with Hameltion that this would be WP:NATURAL disambiguation that could supplant the parenthetical. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. As noted above, trolling is not limited to the internet. Incidentally, trolling does actually redirect here, and I think it would be a good idea to move the article there, per WP:NATURALDIS... so if someone wants to do that I'll support that. Not the "internet troll" idea though. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article lead

I think is article's lead in its currant state says too much. It lists off too many synonyms and examples and what's worse is it still doesn't describe trolling broadly enough. I would describe this problem as being too specific, where if the intent was to cover all bases by specifically listing off every possibility it has fail to do so while already listing too many.

An example I want to mention is Ken M. Vox called him "the world's greatest internet troll," but what he did was not malicious or mean-spirited. If the definition presented in the article fails to capture individuals such as him, then it has failed.

I added the Oxford definition to the article because it gives the most broad but concise definition, and actually does cover all bases. Usually trolls are offensive, but they are offensive to be provocative, which is something they all are because they do it to get a reaction. However, I still think what is present from before in the lead needs to be trimmed down.

Anyways, I wanted to make this talk post before I went around deleting stuff. Pernicious.Editor (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)