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Latest comment: 3 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
AussieWikiDan, I'm a bit uncomfortable with your revert of 2600:8801:a201:7501:c970:4ad9:3e9e:8ece's edit, though I agree that the sources that they removed should be retained in the article. They left an edit summary that read Troye never said he was an atheist and, having read the four sources, I agree with them. The closest I get is the news.com.au article, where Sivan is quoted as saying "I'm Jewish, but I’m not religious... I want my family to have the same experiences I had growing up, of going to synagogue on a Friday night without being looked at weirdly...I pushed it away and ultimately became a little bit less of a religious person.". I don't think that's enough to support the statement that Sivan has identified as an atheist. I'd suggest changing the sentence to read "Sivan was brought up in an orthodox Jewish family – ... – but does not consider himself to be religious.", with the segment between the em-dashes being retained. What do you think? I shall leave a note for 2600... inviting them to give their thoughts too. Best, Wham2001 (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hi there, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have looked at the four articles again. I also can not find anything different than what you have outlined.
Another editor previously removed this and looking at the sources I found reference to him saying (or the reporter inferring) that he was an atheist. However, I can't find that - so I'm a bit confused.
I think editing the article's wording with what you have suggested is a great idea.
Thank you again and especially for being so civil :)
Hi! Sivan's full name is given at the very start of the article, so I've added a "known professionally as" note in the lead sentence. The article is not protected so you could have made that change yourself. Best, Wham2001 (talk) 07:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I'm curious why adding someone's dating history is considered "unencyclopedic" when vast numbers of celebrities on this website have dating histories included on their articles, indeed the text I added was nearly verbatim from Jacob Bixenman's own profile @Joeyconnick:Nevermore27 (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
In and of itself, who someone is dating at any giving point is not "lasting" information. It's gossip and/or "news". Does it impact the subject's overall course of life? Maybe if it leads to children or some kind of career-related collaboration, or to allegations of abuse, but otherwise who someone dated for X years in their 20s is irrelevant if we look back at them from the perspective of 20, 30, 40, or more years into the future. We aren't the entertainment press... we aren't concerned with people's private lives unless their private life somehow impacts their overall notability (or, as before, has some kind of formal/tangible impact on the course of their life). But just "they dated", he had a cameo in a video, and then (my fave part) they "reportedly" split—we don't report rumours even if the rest of the info were worthy of inclusion, which again... it isn't.
For instance, a good test: do you need to know anything about Jacob Bixenman to have a full, general layperson understanding of Troye Sivan and his career? No, you don't. Just because something happened and that something was recorded somewhere doesn't mean it's suitable for inclusion, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
As for what other articles have in them, well... that's Wikipedia for you. It's pretty common to be able to spin around and find any number of articles that aren't following guidelines. Just because, say, an article doesn't follow MOS:TV or WP:BLP doesn't mean that we can point to those articles and say, "Well they're doing it, so why can't we do in article X?" If that were a valid exercise, what would be the point of guidelines at all? —Joeyconnick (talk)
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