Talk:Trump Free Speech Rally

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---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Free speech issues

The article is a good overview of the events but misses the national reaction to the event as a free speech issue vis-a-vis the mayor's attempt to shut it down before it started. The vision many people had was of conservative free speech being curtailed by a liberal city government. The National Review source above states the case well: "[the mayor's] call for the rally’s cancelation flew directly in the face of the obvious First Amendment rights of the Trump supporters and that his call was so obviously pretextual". I will look for good sources - unfortunately my recollection is through realtime radio reports and commentary, which is difficult to cite on Wikipedia. ☆ Bri (talk) 13:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources for (inter)national reactions to free speech issues

• National Review Portland and the Left’s False Narrative "[The fears of violence were] immediately seized on by Ted Wheeler, the Democratic Mayor of Portland, as cause for the federal government to cancel a permit for the Pro-Trump rally... it was remarkable how much of a free pass Portland’s mayor’s stand got from many, given that his call for the rally’s cancelation flew directly in the face of the obvious First Amendment rights of the Trump supporters and that his call was so obviously pretextual."
• Hot Air blog Portland Mayor: Let’s Not Get Carried Away With This Whole “Free Speech” Thing "Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler is calling for the permit to be revoked and the rally to be cancelled because… Trump."
• CSC Media Group Portland Oregon Mayor Shows Blatant Hypocrisy Trying To Shut Down Pro Trump Free Speech Rally
• International Socialist Organization We need free speech to fight the right "Calls from politicians to put limitations on speech, like the attempt made by Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler to get the federal government to revoke the alt-right's permit for the June 4 rally, only serve to further embolden the right and plant the seeds for future crackdowns on the left."
• The Weekly Standard Violent Portland "The city government has made it quite clear that if you have views it finds offensive, it does not want you expressing them publicly...In fighting one form of illiberalism by tolerating another, Portland has proven that its reputation as one of America's most enlightened cities is undeserved."
• Daily Emerald Rally clash in Portland is another iteration of the fight for free speech "Ted Wheeler has answered a physical attack with an ideological one... call[ing] on the federal government to revoke the permit for a Trump Free Speech Rally set for June 4. He also asked the federal government to deny the permit for a Portland March Against Sharia set on June 10... Mayor Wheeler doesn’t seem to understand the First Amendment very well."
• Independent Journal Review ACLU Slams Portland Mayor for Asking Federal Government to Revoke 'Alt-Right' Rally Permits

@Bri: Thank you, and I agree, this article still needs some work. I was going to work solely in the draft space for a while, but decided I wanted to move the work in progress into article space so others could help, and to demonstrate there are several notable pro-Trump rallies in an effort to lessen the argument that a lot of pro-Trump content should be merged into Demonstrations in support of Donald Trump. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that our work is sometimes dominated by defense of a future AfD but there you go. I was thinking along the same lines in developing information showing that it has had interest outside the local area. Maybe you noticed two that I added just above, CSC Media Group based in the UK and International Socialist Organization is, well, international. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

The mayor's official request for the federal government to revoke the permit, and a statement from his official Twitter account that hate speech was not protected by the First Amendment, came under fire from many directions in the Portland area and beyond. The ACLU immediately tweeted back that "The government cannot revoke or deny a permit based on the viewpoint of the demonstrators. Period."^citation and wrote on its website about defending "government suppression" of unpopular speech in Oregon.^citation Conservative commentators and bloggers lambasted the mayor with words like "blatant hypocrisy" (CSC Media Group)^citation "obviously pretextual" (National Review)^citation Portland's "reputation as one of America's most enlightened cities is undeserved" (Weekly Standard)^citation, and "because...Trump" (Hot Air blog)^citation. The International Socialist Organization wrote that "Calls from politicians to put limitations on speech, like the attempt made by Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler to get the federal government to revoke the alt-right's permit for the June 4 rally, only serve to further embolden the right and plant the seeds for future crackdowns on the left".^citation A Daily Emerald commentator wrote "Mayor Wheeler doesn't seem to understand the First Amendment very well".^citation (initial proposal by Bri)

I'm taking a break for a bit but here (immediately above) is a proposal possibly for a new section. Will check back in a few hours. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

No comments? I'll go ahead and post this to the article in a bit. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I haven't reviewed the propose text or sourcing in detail, but trust your addition to the article and will try to revisit again soon. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)