Talk:Twin Suns

GA Review

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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 20:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Add the "use mdy dates" template to fix citations per WP:BADDATE.
• The lead should be expanded to two to three paragraphs to summarize the entire article.

 Done, I hope it is enough to summarize the article, I did not want to spoil the episode's main twist (which makes up most of the Writing section). Yeeno (talk) 🍁 22:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks great. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Plot

• Isn't the word "Holocron", also seen in #Casting, supposed to be capitalized?

Looking at Wookieepedia, it is not capitalized as an in-universe object. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 17:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Just asking since Wikipedia and various sources have it capitalized. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I understand the confusion, Wikipedia refers to the real-life database (capitalized), while the fictional in-universe object is not. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• "Shortly afterwards" → "Shortly afterward" (American English)
• The plot section is under 400 words, so that passes MOS:TVPLOT.

Production

• Recite sources at the end of every quote per WP:QUOTE.

Is this needed for the mid sentence quote? If not I only recited the one that preceded a semi-colon. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 18:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

No, just for sentences containing quotes. The one with "wretched hive of scum and villainy" needs a recite. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to treat this one, since the full line is not referenced in the article, but rather mentioned as the "'scum and villainy' line" (see ref 15); I only included the full line to make it clear to the readers what it refers to. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, the phrase would need a citation at the end of the sentence its in. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• "creation the episode" → "creation of the episode"
• "Lucasfilm Story Group, who" → "Lucasfilm Story Group, which" (not a person)
• "the season 2" doesn't sound right - maybe change it to "the second season"
• "one off" → "one-off"
• Is the comma after "emotional connection" necessary?
• Remove the comma after "controversial" (short sentence).
• "the The Phantom Menace" → "The Phantom Menace"
• "as at the same age is" is confusing so reword

Dropped the "as" here, sounds better. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 17:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• "According the Filoni" → "According to Filoni"
• Remove the comma after "protecting".
• "21 minute" → "21-minute"
• Remove the comma after "impressed".
• Remove the comma after "contributions to the character".

Promotion and release

• "in United Kingdom" → "in the United Kingdom"

Reception

• Slash Film → /Film
• New York Daily News → New York Daily News
• "well received" → "well-received" (both uses)
• Add a serial comma after "Kenobi, Maul".
• Order the citations after "storyline".
• Also make a WP:CITEBUNDLE to avoid WP:OVERCITE.
• IGN → IGN
• "the The AV Club" → The A.V. Club
• This section has a lot of quotes so try paraphrasing and expanding the section per WP:RECEPTION.

 Done Yeeno (talk) 🍁 22:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

References

• #3 is missing its author and date parameters.
• Use "cite AV media" for #5.

This is already done. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 18:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• #6, #11, #13, #16, #18, #21, #22, #24, #25 are missing authors.
• Try wikilinking websites.
• #19 and #23 should be "Anderton; Joe" instead of "Joe Anderton"
• Remove "- Nerdist" from the title of #21 and change the website name to "Nerdist".
• "CINEMABLEND" → "CinemaBlend"
• Properly cite #24 and wikilink Mitch Metcalf.
• "KEANE, SEAN" → "Keane, Sean"
• "nydailynews.com" → New York Daily News
• The AV Club → The A.V. Club
• ScreenRant → Screen Rant
• Sources are archived.

Some Dude From North Carolina: I've implemented all your suggestions. If the reception section still needs work, any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reviewing this! Yeeno (talk) 🍁 23:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Progress

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 10:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the much anticipated final duel between Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Maul, shown in the Star Wars Rebels episode "Twin Suns", lasts for less than three seconds? Sources: "He ultimately does away with Maul in a single blow after blocking two strikes. It’s over in less than three seconds." (Comicbook.com)
  "mileage will vary on a much-hyped and anticipated lightsaber fight that was one of the quickest ever" (IGN)

• ALT1: ... that for the Star Wars Rebels episode "Twin Suns", director Dave Filoni was inspired by the 1954 Akira Kurosawa film Seven Samurai? Source: "Filoni said the inspiration for the fight was Kyuzo, the master swordsman in Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai" (io9)
• Comment: My second DYK nomination. Proposing ALT1 also, because the main blurb features an interesting twist, but a spoiler for the episode.

Moved to mainspace by Yeeno (talk). Self-nominated at 18:26, 22 May 2021 (UTC).

• Ah a Star Wars write up. I haven't yet watched the episode myself, but let me review this. I would prefer to go with ALT 1 rather than the main blurb, as what you said, it's kind of a spoiler, plus it isn't actually that interesting for those uninterested in Star Wars. The article isn't that new, but I will overlook it since it is still technically newly created (within a month or so), plus this is just your second DYK.

I will suggest rewording the ALT1 a little, smth like:

• ALT1a ... that the Star Wars Rebels episode "Twin Suns" took inspiration from the 1954 Akira Kurosawa film Seven Samurai? or
• ALT1b ... that the Star Wars Rebels episode "Twin Suns" is inspired by the 1954 Akira Kurosawa film Seven Samurai?

Feel free to share your thoughts.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ZKang123, thanks for reviewing my submission. I only moved this to the mainspace a couple days ago, so it should qualify for DYK. Alt1a sounds less convoluted than what I have, so I'd agree with using that one. Perhaps to make it even more interesting though, we could add that George Lucas was also inspired by Seven Samurai:

• ALT1c ... that the Star Wars Rebels episode "Twin Suns" took inspiration from the 1954 Akira Kurosawa film Seven Samurai, a film which George Lucas also cited as a major influence? Source: "Seven Samurai made an extraordinary impact on me," says Lucas, recalling the first time he saw the epic during his tenure at USC's film school." (IGN) ?

Just a suggestion though, as this may be getting too long. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 08:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The DYK must be succient enough to remain interesting. I don't think it would be necessary to add the latter clause.--13:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm fine with Alt1a then. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 22:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Passing DYK then.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability

This is the only Star Wars Rebels episode to have its own page. There are several other episodes that are just as if not more notable than this, but if we decide to write them all to be fair, then we will end up with something similar to the Pokemon test. Most individual tv show episodes are not notable enough to have their own article and I think this is no different, but I am fairly new in editing, so I haven't put up and official deletion request. NewLurker (talk) 14:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@NewLurker: I don't think that the non-existance of other articles is a convincing argument, given that any one can create those articles if they have the sources to prove their notability (see WP:OTHERSTUFF). I just happened to be interested in this one, so I created it.

I can confidently say it passes WP:GNG, given the 20+ independent sources talking about the episode alone (it's also passed two different reviews at WP:DYK and WP:GA). If you still don't think its notable though, feel free to start an WP:AFD entry. Yeeno (talk) 00:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)