Talk:Tyla (album)

Release label(s)

Cybertrip, I think you were wrong here when you said, and I quote "Epic Records is a subsidiary of Sony Music; and this edit gives the false impression that the album was released on streaming platforms everywhere except South Africa." First of all, yes Epic is a subsidiary of Sony but it does not take any credit for Epic's work. Sony distributes music for Epic, and Fax is a management company (with respect to Tyla). I have gone through multiple similar articles such as Invasion of Privacy, only the LP was released in Japan by Warner Music Italy, does it give false impression that the album was released on streaming platforms everywhere except Italy? The release history says it was released in various countries/regions and it does not specify which regions were excluded. Therefore, my point is, Tyla LP and vinyl were released in South Africa by Sony Music South Africa and track 13 was replaced by "Water (Marshmello remix)" on the vynil version. Any objections before I go on and add the information? dxneo (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dxneo. The Japan row in Invasion of Privacy implies that the CD there came out a few days later than other countries, but the album was still available to stream in Japan when it came out initially. The label part doesn't really matter in that specific case since its merely pointing out the difference in dates. If you go forward with your edit I suggest that that you say "CD • digital download • streaming • vinyl", since all those methods were available in South Africa on 22 March. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 07:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Tyla (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 15:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: i'll review this. 750h+ 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

1. Well-written

lead

• 22 March 2024 through Fax, and Epic Records. the comma isn't needed
• Production and songwriting on the album was spearheaded by change "was" to "were".
• However, multiple dates were cancelled due to injury. remove "However". Change "injury" to "injuries"
• with many critics praising the versatility of music genres featured. add "the" before "music genres".

background and release

• While speaking on the album's sound prior to its release change "prior to" to "before"
• and that it would be primarily be "popiano", a blend of the amapiano and pop genres. remove the first "be".
• submission date in order to collaborate with the Nigerian singer Tems on the song "No.1". change "in order to" to "to" for conciseness.
• in Portland, Jamaica. unlink "Jamica"; per MOS:GEOLINK, only the smaller territorial unit should be linked.

composition and lyrics

• is a 41 seconds recording that plays ==> "is a 41-second recording that plays"
• with Tyla's vocals flactuating between the low "fluctuating" is spelt wrong.
• the forth song in the album, is described as a slab "fourth" is spelt wrong
• It features Tyla's smooth whispered vocals and synths with aspect of sadness add "the" before "aspect".

promotion

• conclude on 28 May 2024 in the Minneapolis Minneapolis is a city; the article "the" is not needed
• was later cancelled due to an injury that the singer suffered prior to the "prior to" ==> "before"
• she did pop-up shop appearances in London and Johannesburg in order to promote the record. "in order to" ==> "to"

singles

• Merge the first paragraph with the second one; single-sentence paragraphs generally aren't wanted.
• A live performance of "On and On" on the German music performance platform ColorsxStudios was released onto YouTube YouTube should be linked and change "onto" to "on".
• streaming platforms a day prior to the release of the digital EP Tyla. "prior to" ==> "before".

critical reception

• afrobeats, amapiano, pop, and R&B, while still remaining "true to her roots. remove the comma that follows "pop".
• while still remaining "true to her roots." remove "still".
• on an album where "where forward motion is a recurring metaphor" remove one of the "where"s.
• began her review noting that on the album, Tyla "flexes her fidelity to pop-R&B" and that the album "pulses with amapiano’s log-drum heartbeat". change the second "album" to "it".
• "shows she’s up to the challenge", labeling her the most "effective ambassador" in South African English, it is "labelling" not "labeling"

All  Done. dxneo (talk) 03:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I did one minor copyedit, but the prose part looks fine. Pass 750h+ 03:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

commercial performance

• No problems here, pass. 750h+ 03:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

2. Verifiable with no original research

• Are Breakroom Africa, DanceHallMag, the journalist dj, SlikourOnLife and EarOne reliable? Spotchecks performed on 13, 30, 51, and 56. Like the previous nomination, there are YouTube source but they are published by reliable sources. Earwig finds no obvious problems. 750h+ 03:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Breakroom Africa is most certainly reliable as it's information usually checks out. I've never used DancehallMag before, but it has been used over 250 times on en-wiki per dancehallmag.com  . Content on the journalistdj matches that of slikouronlife which has been used over 165 times on en-wiki slikouronlife.co.za   slikouronlife has been a news source for music for as long as I can remember, hosted by Slikour of Skwatta Kamp who sometimes interviews the musicians. Lastly, EarOne is indeed a reliable source, mostly used for radio dates. It is cited on a featured article "Your Power". dxneo (talk) 04:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I think slikouronlife and/or the journalistdj sources can be replaced, if that's what you're asking. dxneo (talk) 04:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly I think I'm fine with the source quality then. Source review pass. 750h+ 05:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

3. Broad

It's a long article. Comparing it to other album articles it seems broad, and it's pretty long for a new album so I believe this is a broadness pass. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

4. Neutral

• Per 1. Pass 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

5. Stable

• Because of the recent expansions I believe that after I promote this it'll be stable, so I'm going to stay neutral. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

6. Illustrated

All images have WP:ALT text. All four images are appropriately licensed, with one fair use image showing the album cover.

Verdict

@Dxneo: unless you have any other comments then i'd be happy to pass this for WP:GA status. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

750h+ Thank you for taking this review, please proceed. dxneo (talk) 05:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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• ... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
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Created by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 06:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Chris Woodrich, would it help if the image was added to the article under this sub-section? And here is the video where the image was taken from, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed). Alternatively, can I use this image which is linked in the article? dxneo (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(An aside - Apparently the license doesn't show up when I'm logged in and using Premium, but it does when logged out. Good to know). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Chris Woodrich  Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Awesome. Good to go now! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay AirshipJungleman29  Done. dxneo (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo:: Noting that I've tweaked the nomination to remove "(pictured)". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?

If the Grammy Award wasn't enough to validate her notability, I hope the BETs got the job done. I mean, how long are we gonna discuss this DYK. dxneo (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• I've been away from DYK for a while, so just to confirm - is it still kosher for me to reinstate the tick for ALT1? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Sounds okay to me.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)