Talk:UEFA Euro 2012 final

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30 em columns in references section

I made the references list into 30 em columns, and someone reverted it. In most other pages, this is used, so I would like to know why my edit was reverted. Dar5995 (talk) 03:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Spain summary

This section is overly lengthy, and sounds like a novel. This section should be edited to include only the bare factual information, not interpretations such as "Defender Gerard Piqué showed no sign of nervousity". Also, if a section about Spain is included, a parallel section about Italy should be included as well. Dar5995 (talk) 03:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Well mate, you've shown a willingness to edit pretty much everything else, so why not try re-writing it yourself? – PeeJay 11:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I disagree, I feel that the "Road to the Finals" sections for both teams meet standards. I'm removing the tag. If you disagree with this, please make the appropriate changes to the article to resolve any concerns. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 19:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Since I originally wrote this, I'll have to agree with PeeJay. My English isn't exactly the sharpest, so I will let someone a more native English speaker continue. Arbero (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I've been chipping away at the Road to the Final section, and I feel it is 1/3 too long, easily. The problem, is clipping sentences out of newspaper reports that don't add up into a flowing paragraph, and repeat details incessantly. Good on y'all for getting the main facts in, but no worries to and edit crew passing through and making it read like one piece of writing. Cheers all, I love the team work approach. Great edit on the header, removing Defending champs from before Spain. Whoever that was, great minds... thanks for finishing of a good sentence to be better. Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:08, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Broadcasting

please add the following to the middle of the boardcasting section.

The match was aired on ITV and BBC in the United Kingdom. In Ireland the match was aired on RTÉ Two. In the United States, the match was shown on ESPN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.109.119 (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2012

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I didn't make this change because I think keeping it to the UK and the US is sufficient enough. That's the point of linking to the main article UEFA Euro 2012 broadcasting rights, so that the full list is available, without posting every country in the main article. Can others weigh in on this? -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 22:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Italian and Spanish broadcasters be shown too? And perhaps Ukrainian and Polish ones? –HTD 00:52, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Why is it just the UK and US? Where did this rule come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.109.119 (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

My reasoning for keeping it to the UK and to the US is because this is the English Language Wikipedia. Since the US and the UK make up 73.6% of the English-speaking world, I kept it to those two countries. I'm not trying show bias or to disrespect any other countries, including other English-speaking countries, but if we add too many countries to that paragraph, then the whole thing reads like "In the US.....In the UK.....In Spain.....In Italy.....In Poland.....In Ukraine.....In Portugal.....In Germany.....etc" which looks terrible. Keeping it short, with a link to the main article of Euro 2012 broadcasters is the best approach, in my opinion. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 01:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

So - what you're saying is - the other 26.4% of readers don't matter? Or that Kiev, Madrid and Rome - which have more right to be there than anyone else - can't, but that Washington - on another continent - does? You might as well have chosen Australia and Antarctica, or Mars and Pluto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.109.119 (talk) 01:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You haven't given any reason for why you want Ireland's broadcasting rights added to this section at all. At first glance, your reasoning appears to be because you're from Ireland, which is not a valid argument to add Ireland's broadcast rights to this section. If this is not your reasoning for wanting to do this, then forgive me for implying that, and please give us a good reason. Again, the UK and the US are written into the article not because of bias or disrespect towards other countries, but because adding a large list of countries in that section is useless, and looks bad (see my comment above). This is why this main article link exists, and why the link to it is above the two sentences regarding broadcast rights in the UK and US, so that the broadcasting rights for EVERY country is displayed in a nice and neat table for all to see. Also, please remember to sign every post you make on a talk page, or any discussion page. Don't rely on bots or other editors to add your signature in for you. You can easily sign posts by typing this after your posts: --~~~~. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 03:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

It was just the suggestion made at the time. Thought other countries could or would be included. Didn't know it wasn't allowed, and was only trying to help anyway. --86.40.109.119 (talk) 03:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Check your talk page. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 03:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I picked those 4 countries as the first two were the competing teams in the final (as this is the article about the final), and the latter two were hosts. As for the UK and US, this being the English WP is a good enough reason; for example, if this was the French WP, the French broadcaster would be listed too. For other countries, those must have really good reasons, such as very high interest in the final, for them to be included. –HTD 01:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

References

I just noticed this

this is the first Euro final with both teams captained by the keepers.108.54.57.214 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Formation Incorrect

Spain's formation is incorrect currently; Xavi did not play to the right of Busquets, rather he played in front of Xabi Alonso and Busquets. Zonalmarking.net has a more accurate depiction of the formation for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.253.94.228 (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The formation originally posted is correct -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 01:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

UEFA also have the incorrect formation; Xavi was clearly not level with Xabi Alonso and Busquets, but rather ahead of them. So while the formation posted is correct according to UEFA, it is not correct in actuality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.253.94.228 (talk) 01:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jul/02/euro-2012-spain-italy-tactics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.253.94.228 (talk) 02:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Homages

Not sure if wikipedia worthy but maybe there should be a comment about some of the Spain players wearing T-shirts in homage to Antonio Puerta, Dani Jarque, Miki Roqué and Manuel Preciado during the medal award and celebrations. Also, the kids of Torres, Reina, etc invaded the pitch post-match.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.26.120.40 (talk) 13:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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