Talk:Unidas Podemos

'Merger' field in Infobox

Please, can we remove this? The article text body is enough for listing the component member parties. Articles on political alliances do not use that field - it is for listing when a political party has been created from a merger of pre-existing parties (see for example the articles Democratic Party (Italy) and Liberal Democrats, among many other examples on en.wiki). Leaving the situation as it exists for this article is misleading for the readers, as Unidos Podemos is an alliance (perhaps a temporary one), not a unified party, and might never be. In addition, we shouldn't have such cluttered Infoboxes in articles for alliance and parties.--Autospark (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

True, issue was that there isn't a field in the "Infobox political party" template to list member parties within an alliance. However, I've followed the model of Cambiemos, which uses a "blank" field to list member parties, which is more accurate. Cluttering is not an issue, since a collapsible list is used. Impru20 (talk) 14:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

the weather votes.

historically weather affects the political left more than the right..in good or very bad weather many non committeds dont vote..they get up go to the beach or stay home in the rain ..militants always vote..this is a fact..in spain if the weather is hot and sunny the right will advantage as it has more militants.the left will lose as it has fewer militants..in the usa clinton hopes for nice weather in the north as her people the left live north.while trump is dominant in the south where he hopes for no rain but generally better weather..the political right always advantages in bad weather.. in spain we see celar skies hot temperatures and we see in murcia in pl santo dinmongo the iu podemos out side teeling people to vote before going to la manga campo amor cabo de palos..in madrid its not a big problem as beach doesnt exist..in barcelona it is infact a problem.i vote pp.and will vote early then to the beach..but the political left is already aware off how weather affects non militant voters..too sunny or too cold hurts the left..its a fact.i know it cause i did my phd at harvard in education and studied a course on ciencia politica there..amazing correlations..incredible connections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.193.163 (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 22 April 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. No opposition. Seems to be non-controversial. (closed by non-admin page mover) Srnec (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

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Unidos Podemos → Unidas Podemos – The alliance appears to have been renamed. Charles Essie (talk) 04:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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Far-left party

If you are to the left of Socialists you are far-left and not just left-wing.

62.226.91.247 (talk) 23:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

^This is what happens when you use socialism and communism as synonyms. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I lived in Spain for 6 years and Podemos is widely known as a far-left political party supporting dictators like Maduro and Kim Jong-un. Their leader Pablo Iglesias even declared himself communist ("I am communist") on TV shows [1].--Charrua85 (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Get reliable references and you might get that on the article. Ron Oliver (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Excluding that PSOE is more center-left than left wing (and they lean towards centrism in economic issues) and they don't have any communist or socialist policy i can say that i like Mickey Mouse but that doesn't mean i am Mickey Mouse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enricc1 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Title

Unidos Podemos and Unidas Podemos are officially two different political coalitions. Both are formed by the same parties, but officially they are registered as two different coalitions and not as a simple change of name. For more information, visit both articles on es.wiki. --85.86.131.115 (talk) 05:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Those should not be separate articles and they are currently the subject of a merge discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 03:11, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary duplication; both are the same coalition, with the only differences than the 2019 one is slightly smaller and is referred as "Unidas" rather than "Unidos". Just as we don't have separate articles for every Italian centre-right coalition and centre-left coalition, there is no reason for doing so here. Impru20^talk 06:16, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Far-left

As discussed in Podemos (Spanish political party), I find it very hard to believe that the only reliable source that determines the framing of Unidas Podemos as "far-left" is a mere assertion from Reuters. While Reuters is generally considered reliable, most news outlets rely heavily on Spanish media outlets, which may not always be reliable. None of the comments provided in the talk page offer anything close to an explanation as to why it is categorized as far-left. This is quite a strong claim, since Spanish media outlets frequently use that tag as a politically-motivated attack on them, rather than a description. Such a claim should be supported by an analysis of their proposals and policies, never assertions. For that very reason, that tag was challenged and removed in the article I mentioned above. I suggest finding reliable analyses of their positions on hot issues if we are going to place such a tag on the party. Ron Oliver (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

On other wiki pages, I’ve seen political parties described as “ultranationalist” based on mere assertions from a source without giving reasoning (the sources for ultranationalism at the AfD are a good example of this). In addition Reuters is one of the best sources out there in my opinion when it comes to neutrality and accurate reporting, so I believe they’re an excellent source to describe the party as far left. Finally, the communist party of Spain is a far left party and is part of this alliance, thus “far left” is at the very least a faction of the party. Nigel Abe (talk) 14:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

As I said before, while Reuters is generally trustworthy, it heavily relies on Spanish media, which often have a vested interest in miscategorizing them as far-left (that is why I brought that point up, because I am not at all convinced that neither their positions nor their actions should be classified as an "far-left", and assertions are a dangerous route to take). On the other hand, the communist party of Spain, which you brought up, is not part of that alliance, if I am not mistaken. In fact, I could not even find that information in the article. However, even if that was the case, that would more than likely be WP:SYNTH — what matters here is not their origin, but their positions and actions. Ron Oliver (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Just an addendum: AfD has a lengthy section where their ideology and policies are thoroughly explained with multiple-sourced references. That is not even remotely comparable. Ron Oliver (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Can we say with certainty that Reuters relied on Spanish media to get their description of Unidas Podemos? Plus, what is it that makes Spanish media less reliable for describing the political parties in their own country? In regards to the communist party of Spain, it is the largest of member of the United Left (Spain) which is part of Unidas Podemos, along with some minor socialist parties and a far left Trotskyist party. If we were talking solely about Podemos then I’d agree they are not far left and attempts to say so under this logic would be WP:SYNTH, however this is a political alliance that includes the left wing Podemos, and the far left communists, meaning that there a prevalent far left faction inside this alliance, even if not in the Podemos party.

In regards to the AfD, that page discusses German nationalism (which the AfD most certainly adheres too). I was referring to the mention of Ultranationalism in the ideology section of the article, which sources to three articles that use “ultranationalist” as an adjective only and make no effort to explain why the AfD is Ultranationalist. I’ve seen the issue discussed on the talk page there, and the consensus was that the passing mentions by reliable sources were enough to use. Nigel Abe (talk) 18:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Spanish media is generally less reliable, specifically according to Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. However, I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole, because that is not my point. My point is that positions and policies define parties, not people or backgrounds. So far, I can't see how their stances and policies as Unidas Podemos should be categorized as far-left, and those refs do not help either. Focusing on their members' backgrounds is a complete red herring.

On the other hand, I might agree with you on that part about ultranationalism in Alternative for Germany if we are to focus solely on those three refs, but that is just not how Wikipedia works. If you scroll down to the proper section where that is discussed, you will find quotes, refs to academics studies analyzing their positions, and more (1, 2, and 3, and these are just some examples). If anything remotely similar to this were to be found on Unidas Podemos, I would take your point, but all I can find here is an assertion from one media outlet with no justification, no analysis, no policies, no official positions of the alliance — in short, no reasons as to why they should be considered far-left other than somebody's word for it. It's not like I think your position is indefensible, but I believe it just doesn't meet the standards and, since "far-left" carries a lot of weight in the article, I suggest re-evaluating the situation and getting rid of the tag until more analyses (or, for a lack of something better, quotes, policies, positions on hot topics...) are presented. Ron Oliver (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2020

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Spanish guy here, Unidas Podemos isn't by any means far-left because none of their politics are far-left, and they aren't by any means communist or socialist here most sources site Podemos as far left because it is the closest thing to far-left that has power in Spain, i can agree with that stance but none of their politics are by any means communist or socialist (at best Social Democratic) even the original spanish page states podemos as left-wing not far-left so please stay true to the original sources that has more information and stop editing Unidas Podemos as far-left,if you want far-left to stay edit it as factions (even if as in Unidas Podemos their political stances are left wing since it is the party majority and United Left is left wing to far left so Unidas Podemos agree on the left wing part,individually yes united left is left wing leaning towards far-left) I am tired of doing don't use biased news sources please and consider far-left political parties not individuals who have communist or socialist politics,thanksEnricc1 (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)EnricEnricc1 (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Party leadership

Iglesias has resigned as deputy prime minister to contest the Madrid regional elections, and is recommending Yolanda Diaz as his successor as national party leader. Culloty82 (talk) 13:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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