Talk:Us Against the World (Christina Milian song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 16:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Starting on this soon, looks alright on first glance --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

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Cover art needs alt text Target streaming to Streaming media Extra cover needs alt text Cover for Jason Nevins remix single → Cover for the Jason Nevins remix ✗ Not done, the name of the remixer/DJ is Jason Nevins Sorry, that's what I meant to put and have fixed my typo --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC) "is a song by American entertainer" → "is a song by American singer and songwriter" ✗ Not done, She's also credited as an actress so entertainer seems a better ter. End the sentence after her name since the release date belongs elsewhere as I will instruct "as well as Theodore "Madd Scientst" Thomas who produced the song, it is a" → "as well as its producer Theodore "Madd Scientst" Thomas, the song is a" Target ballad to Power ballad per MOS:LINK2SECT "It was released through" → "It was released for streaming as a single on October 6, 2008 through" with the appropriate targets "a joint venture with Interscope Records" → "a joint venture with Interscope" "who had not released any new music since 2006" remove this part since it is repetitive due to the succeeding sentence ""Us Against the World" was Milian's" → "The song marked Milian's" ✗ Not done, calling the song by its name breaks up the use of "the song" and "it". You should not be stating the title twice in the same para though --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Could say the same for "It" or "The song". Stylistic choices. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- Lil-unique1 You are supposed to repeat the song and it within the same para, but it is commonly done to not repeat the song's title, especially when there is no variation with other song titles. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC) "and the song" → "and single" to specify that it was from 2006 "Shortly after the release of So Amazin'," → "Shortly after the release of the album," "Def Jam Recordings due to poor album sales" → "Def Jam due to her poor album sales" "helmed by Ray Kay was" → "helmed by Ray Kay, was" "in promotion of the single" → "in promotion of the song" Add some info on the synopsis of the video? "for the videos for her singles "Whatever U Want" (2004) and "Say I" (2006)" → "on the videos for her singles "Whatever U Want" and "Say I" in 2004 and 2006, respectively" "the song produced by Jason Nevins was also" → "the song, produced by Jason Nevins, was"  Done, have left link to Jason Nevins as its the first time he has been mentioned in the lead. "had limited chart success" → "experienced limited commercial success" Name the chart as Pop 100 Airplay since that is clearly not the same as Pop 100 "and 112 on the" → "and number 112 on the" Wikilink lead single to itself "her forth album Dream in Colour (later titled Elope) which would go" → " her fourth studio album Dream in Colour, later titled Elope, which ultimately went" "following more record label changes" → "after more record label changes for Milian"

Background and release

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"In 2006 Milian left" → "In 2006, Milian left" "just after the release of her third album" → "shortly after the release of her third studio album" "Speaking to Rap-Up Milian" → "Speaking to Rap-Up, Milian" "really effected her negatively," → "had a negative effect on her," "Milian said she was let go by the label" → "Milian also said she was let go by the record label" "budget cuts but felt like" → "budget cuts, but felt like" "money on [ Rihanna ]"." are you sure there isn't a way to place the [] directly around without interfering with the wikilinking? There is, hallelujah! {{brackets}} ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 18:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC) "Just less than two years later," → "Less than two years later," Target MySpace to Myspace ✗ Not done, there are separate articles for MySpace Records and MySpace the social networking site. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 18:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC) I am aware of that; this comment is in reference to the point where you have MySpace wikilinked to itself, which is a redirect to Myspace that needs fixing. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC) "a new joint venture between social network" → "a joint venture between social networking service" "and Interscope Records" → "and record label Interscope Records" "where Milian said" → "in which Milian said:" "being very detailed"." → "being very detailed."" "as the album's first single, with" → "as the album's lead single with" with the appropriate wikilink "due in early 2009" → "slated for release in early 2009" ""Us Against the world" was made available to stream" → "The song was made available for streaming" with the target "MySpace on October 6, 2008" → "MySpace as a single by the aforementioned labels on October 6, 2008." with the target "It was serviced to" → "The record labels serviced it to" ✗ Not done this is trivial. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- "produced dance mix was also released" → "produced remix of the song was later released" "Jason Nevins presents Ultra Dance 10 on January 6, 2009" → "Jason Nevins presents Ultra Dance 10, released on January 6, 2009" "This remix was given a standalone release on January 20, 2009 via iTunes" → "The remix was released to iTunes in the United States on January 6, 2009 by Radio Killa Records, MySpace and Interscope" with the wikilink "In the first part of 2009, Milian confirmed" → "In early 2009, Milian confirmed" "signed to The-Dream's Radio Killa Records" → "signed to Radio Killa" "agreed a deal with Interscope Records" → "agreed a deal with Interscope" "but later, Milian would state" → "but Milian later stated" "new first single" → "new lead single"

Music and lyrics

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"also producing the song" → "also handling production" "Billboard's Mariel Concepcion, described" → "Billboard's Mariel Concepcion described" The next sentence is repeating the first sentence a bit; merge the mixing info with that instead, writing something like "while the song was mixed by..." Wikilink Hollywood to itself "Milian conceived the concept" → "Milian conceived the concept for the song" "romantic tragedy," → "romantic tragedy" "to reflect the same themes" → "for reflecting the same themes" ✗ Not done, wrong grammar. The song's concept was to reflect the same themes not for reflecting the same theme. That doesn't make sense.≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- Target ballad to Sentimental ballad RWDmag should be italicised "In another interview with Ninefourfour" → "In another interview with 944 Magazine" "because it "the lyrics speak" → "because "the lyrics speak" "adding that" → "adding that:" "ballad it’s very exciting" → "ballad it's very exciting" "It’s about passion" → "It's about passion" "Similarly, she told" → "Similarly, Milian told" "that people would know that "there" → "that the world would know: "There" ✗ Not done, that capitalisation doesn't make sense to me. You don't capitalise phrases/quotes mid sentence? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- Lil-unique1 The source starts the sentence with there though and the quotation here makes out it doesn't; I have fixed this for you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Track listings

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Good

Personnel

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Retitle to Credits and personnel Credits adapted from CD single liner. → Credits adapted from the liner notes of the CD single. Wikilink Christina Milian to herself Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel not done. {{en-dash}} does not need to be used to achieve correct spacing. I used the dash script which inserts "–"

Music video

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This section belongs inbetween Music and lyrics and Track listings Img text should have the wikilink on music videos instead of the full two words "with MTV News, at the" → "with MTV News at the" Wikilink music video to itself "who previously directed the videos" → "who had previously directed the videos" Add release years of the songs in brackets "and was inspired by the films" → "and took inspiration for the music video from the films" "could expect from the video" → "could expect from the visual" Quote has the ending of speech marks even though they never started "that the full finished video" → "that the fully finished version" "premier on Milian's" → "premiere via Milian's" Remove wikilink on MySpace "Kay said "every time" → "Kay stated that "every time" "It’s important to" → "It's important to"

Charts

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Remove [20] since just the one ref is enough Make the peak positions sortable ✗ Not done, as mentioned before sortables are not required for 2 entries or single entries. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- US Billboard Pop 100 Airplay → US Pop 100 Airplay (Billboard)

Release history

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Song Version → Version Make Various have a rowspan of 2 instead of repeating it twice Streaming via MySpace → Streaming (MySpace) with the targets Make Original version have a rowspan of 2 instead of repeating it twice Center all of the refs Target Ultra Records to Ultra Music Target Digital download to Music download

References

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Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool I did run the tool it errored. I'll try again. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC) Refs 14 and 17 are too high on Copyvio score; fix this  Done as best I can. It's worth bearing in mind that the Copyvio tool is a guide and it is imperfect as it counts the name of the title several times which inflates the score on the MTV reference. Where text has been quoted, it has been appropriately sourced/referenced. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC) I understand you, but quoting should be reduced somewhat to avoid copyright --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC) I've reduced as much as I can. Where an article being cited is short, it is inevitable that copyvio scores are high however, like I said, when the song name is stripped out this is an acceptable level of copyvio score which is just a guide. Quotes (even in academic writing) use the exact wording and/or paraphrasing with relevant attribution. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Some of the refs are missing the publisher/work/website parameter Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 7 Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 8 and 9 Cite Rap-Up as work/website instead for ref 8 Ditto for refs 9 and 17 but with no wikilink ✗ Not done, links are included in every ref as you may navigate directly from the ref to the section and back again See MOS:OVERLINK to understand what I mean --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC) I'm aware of Overlink just didn't think it would be an issue but I'll remove. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 10 Remove wikilink on Christina Milian for ref 11 and target Interscope to Interscope Records Ref 12 says I need flash player to play the archived clip; is the info really verified, as I hope this is good faith? Yes. The magazine was produced in print as well. Unfortunately there isn't much I can do about how the article archives. This post from RWD Magazine offers some proof that featured Milian on the cover and in the magazine. Someone posted the article on some music forums too which can be found online (pulse music board). ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC) MOS:CAPS issues with ref 16 and are you sure that source is reliable? Yep. Video static is an industry related source and has been used MANY times in GA reviews ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC) Cite Rap-Up as work/website for ref 18 and fix MOS:CAPS issues Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 19 Remove target on Billboard for ref 21 Final comments and verdict Extended content  On hold until you fix the issues. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC) Lil-unique1 Nearly there, just some more comments --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Lil-unique1 Mostly looks good, have done some copyediting but I'm sure the single release sentence should come directly after writing/production --Kyle Peake (talk) 11:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Kyle Peake is there anything outstanding? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC) Lil-unique1 Sorry about the late response, your mention did not show up in my notifications for some reason and I had no idea until I was looking through WP that you did it. I mentioned about the release info needing ordering; basically, the stuff about it being a ballad/love anthem in the lead belongs after writing about its single release date and format. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC) Kyle Peake  Done ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 18:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC) ✓ Pass! --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)