Talk:Vaidya

Marge with doctor

I suggest to merge this article in the article of Doctor. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 17:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent Revert

Dont revert my SOURCED content.all are well sourced. Nobita456 (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Seperate Article

I will make a seperate article of vaidya(surname). this article should only focus on Vaidya sanskrit team to make it easy for readers just like we dont include Brahmin, kshatriya,vaishya surname in Brahmin, kshatriya, Vaishya varna article Nobita456 (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456 , the vaidya profession does apply here also as the ones with the last name were vaidyas by profession. Very closely linked. BTW, there is an caste of goldsmiths that also had vaidyas. I think you should make a new page called Vaidya(Ayurveda) and add things about charak samhita there. Vaidya profession was not restricted to a caste in most India as in Bengal.LukeEmily (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

This article is about ayurvedic vaidyas(see) please revert your edits.I described the ayurvedic vaidyas. I will improve this article tomorrow. Nobita456 (talk) 21:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I want to mention those communities who are ayurvedic physicians. Nobita456 (talk) 21:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

We can add Charak samihata. I only temporarily deleted it. But the profession was practiced by even backward castes like goldsmiths making the statement from Charak samhita (written in Kashmir) irrelevant. Baidya is the only community who are ayurvedic physicians AFAIK. In Maharashtra, many castes shared this profession.LukeEmily (talk) 21:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

ok in that caste let's use this article to describe only Sanskrit term. are you ok with that luke?I will create a Vaidya(surname) article tommorow. Nobita456 (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Still in a dilemma. Lets ask other opinions. Even if we were to do this, this article will still need to contain names of all communities(not people) where members followed the profession. We can also added that vaidyas are also called Baidyas in Bengal and also keep the last names on these pages. The reason is that all families n Maharashtra who had that last name followed the physician profession at least from Peshwa era if not earlier. Hence it may be better to keep on one page. Because even if you create a new page for surnames , we will have to mention that members of X, Y, and Z castes followed the profession and there is a caste of physicians in Bengal. We also may have to add about other states. Other suggestion is that Charak samhita is not a caste related book, should we add your statement to the Ayurveda page, not here. Not sure how to handle this. ThanksLukeEmily (talk) 22:12, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

• It is simple luke.this page is for ayurvedic vaidyas(ancient).see any surname page like dutta or dutt.many communiets all over the India use dutt or dutta as their surname.we should mention about all community who use the surname "Vaidya" at the Vaidya(surname) page. Thanks. Nobita456 (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
• Vaidya (surname) created.please put your surname and caste-related information there.Nobita456 (talk) 22:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

It will need to be like Patil_(title) and Patil_(surname).Patil was a profession. Since the last name is directly related to profession(as in Patil title), they mention the castes on the profession page, not the surnames page. In this case, there was only one page so it was OK.LukeEmily (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I created the surname page. you are invited to make your edits there. Nobita456 (talk) 22:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Ekdalian

Ekdalian please write what you want? and under which wikipedia terms you removed my charak samhita lines? I created two seperate articles for a reason to make it easy for readers. Nobita456 (talk) 10:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

On what basis did you create two separate articles. Where's the discussion leading to the consensus on such major changes? Ekdalian (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

tell me valid reasons not to create a separate vaidya (surname) article. and under which guideline you are removing sourced content? which is relevant to this article.Nobita456 (talk) 10:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Are you aware of the process of creating new articles? Pls read WP:YFA. Did you submit the same for review? Moreover, LukeEmily never agreed; why did you create a new article (splitting one article into two) without involving other editors and without achieving consensus? Ekdalian (talk) 10:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

LukeEmily does not have much knowledge regarding caste articles, He himself said that.Nobita456 (talk) 10:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

LukeEmily is an experienced editor, even mentioned by admins on their talk pages (regarding caste related articles). So, you believe you are more experienced than LukeEmily? My goodness! Ekdalian (talk) 10:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

this discussion is irrelevant to this article. we are not here to compete with each other about who is more capable. If you have reliable sources you can edit on wiki by citing them. lukeEmily himself asked for my help in caste-related articles on my talk page. see. tell me valid reasons why you removed my sourced content like this Nobita456 (talk) 11:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Vaidya is a professional group not a mere Sanskrit word. Does all Vaidyas(Ayurveda Doctors) have Vaidya surname? Of courses not.Then why should we not create separate article for Vaidya (Profession) and Vaidya (Surname)? Even if seperate Vaidya(Surname) article is created,we can add geographical distribution and other related information there. We all can work together to create Vaidya(Surname) page. Thanks. Satnam2408 (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

By the way, Regarding this 'Charak samhita' and thrice-born dispute, We have a reliable source of Leslie, which have described this incident.The source, that was provided is also of good quality.We can add opinions of different schollars to make it consistent and undisputed. Thanks. Satnam2408 (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey Satnam2408, any quotation or text directly from such ancient texts like Charaka Samhita would be considered as WP:PRIMARY. In case you have a reliable source where the author interprets/analyses the same, you can present it here, and I would be glad to see such a source. Hope you understand. Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey Ekdalian I am not going to quote 'Charak Samhita' here.I am talking about modern schollars, who have interpreted this and provided explanation. I have other source as well apart from Leslie and Islam.I would provide those later here. By the way I should have provided appropriate source there in Brahmin page, but mistakenly I have given those sources there. Generally I always try to stick with sources.It was a mistake.I beg your pardon. Thanks. Satnam2408 (talk) 14:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)