Talk:Valentina (French singer)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 07:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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• Valentina (singer)
• J'imagine

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• ... that Valentina with her song "J'imagine" is the first French to win the Junior Eurovision Song Contest?
  • ALT1:... that Valentina with her song "J'imagine" is the first to win the Junior Eurovision Song Contest for France?
  • ALT2:... that Valentina with her song "J'imagine" gave France its first victory at the Junior Eurovision Song Contest?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Basketball Fix, Template:Did you know nominations/Pallas's cat

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 20:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC).

Interesting song and singer, and I'm looking at both. Good foreign sources accepted AGF. Please mark the language of each source not English. No copyvio obvious. I am not happy with the hooks' wording. How about something like

ALT3: ... that Valentina won the Junior Eurovision Song Contest singing "J'imagine", as the first victory of France in the contest? - Also waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, I forgot about the QPQ. Could you please wait till Tuesday or Wednesday? I'm also going to expand the first article a bit. (Look at the French one I wrote. It's better.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

• Any updates on the QPQ? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
• oscow Connection QPQ? SL93 (talk) 23:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Moscow Connection fix ping. SL93 (talk) 23:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Sorry. Give me an hour. --Moscow Connection (talk)
    • I added a QPQ. But I still want to expand the articles somewhat. Could you please wait till tomorrow? I can't do it right now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• @Moscow Connection: It's been almost a week since your last comment here, if you can't expand further the nomination will have to move on without it. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  Why would you think so? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Moscow Connection, thanks for the QPQ. However, as you have nominated two articles, you must supply two QPQ reviews, not just one. Please do another one as soon as possible. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset I will donate a QPQ - Template:Did you know nominations/Minoru Makihara. SL93 (talk) 03:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you! --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
• I will do another QPQ now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• With my donation, you don't need to do one if you don't feel like that. That would be QPQ #2. SL93 (talk) 04:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • You're so kind, but I think you can find a better use for your QPQ than that. :-)
    Sorry, I was busy with something else lately. And yes, you are right, I didn't really feel like doing anything right now... But it was my responsibility, so I did another review. And now I will make myself expand the articles. --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• Ok. That's fine too. SL93 (talk) 06:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I will expand the articles today. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: The articles are finished. I'm very, very sorry for the delay, I was busy with something else and couldn't get my brain cells to work. (I can't say I'm happy with the result, but I have placed a request at WP:COPYEDITORS.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Interesting, and now expanded even more, thank you for doing this! - Two suggestions for the articles: in the girl's, I don't think the word "idol" is supported by the source, - "model" perhaps? In the song's: the lead is focused on the competition, while what I'd want to know at that point is the content. Also, I think it should be "was" the song. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt: 1. The source is partially behind the paywall now. Can you access it? What does it say? I simply translated my French article, which says that "l'idole de Valentina est Ariana Grande". My guess is that the source must have said something like "Ariana Grande est mon idole," but it is possible that I used a close synonym to avoid a copyright violation.
  2. Are you saying that the article's lead doesn't adequately summarize its contents? I can mention the two albums Valentina recorded with Kids United, will that be enough?
  3. "I think it should be "was""
  — Where exactly? (In the song article, I wasn't sure should I write "This is France's first victory at the contest" or "This was France's first victory at the contest.") --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• I googled "Ariana Grande est mon idole", and yes, the search returned the source I used. It shows up at the very bottom of the first results page. ("Ariana Grande est mon idole. Elle est vraiment un exemple pour moi car je la trouve très jolie et elle a une voix magnifique. Ma chanson ...") --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• I rewrote the lead somewhat. Is it better now? --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

  Sorry, I was out. Lets begin with is/was because I just looked it up. I mean "It is France's winning entry ..." and I think as that competition is over I'd understand "was" better. 2) lead, I seems to have been unclear that I meant the song's lead. There, I'd like some about the content of the song. The title is close to Imagine, and while the first thing there is "its lyrics encourage listeners to imagine a world at peace without the barriers of borders or the divisions of religion and nationality and to consider the possibility that the whole of humanity would live unattached to material possessions", here you read nothing about who imagines what until down in the article. Thank you for expanding the other lead anyway. For the song, perhaps say that the girl was eleven at contest time, - would make it more interesting to me. 3) idol - I am not sure - but o native speaker of English - if the French and the English idol have the same meaning, so would be careful. Also, the word comes from a reporter, and I don't see it it in what she said which is not as strong, almost god-like, as I'd understand idol. I'd probably say "was inspired". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

  • I've looked "est mon idole" up on Reverso, and it seems like it's okay to translate "idole" like this. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I have searched and finally found what Valentina imagines. (Not counting the people repainting their town's walls. :-)) She imagines "a brighter future"! I will add this to the lead. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: I've expanded the song article a bit. I hope it's better now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)