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Reviewer: Aoba47 (talk · contribs) 17:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

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For the infobox image's caption, I would add the artist if known. See Naruto Uzumaki and Allen Walker to see what I mean. Yashuhiro Nightow add There are two areas that are not completed in the "Media data and Non-free use rationale" box for the infobox image. There is still one part that needs to be filled out. For the same box, I would expand on the "purpose of use in article" part instead of just saying "Vash's appearance". Added I do not find this, "It will be used to illustrate Vash's appearance, something discussed in the article.", to be a particularly good description. For starters, this is currently being used in the article so the "will" sentence structure does not make sense. I'd look at something like File:Jill Valentine original outfit.png for inspiration on this part. Aoba47 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Remove this part, "also referred as Vash", as it is not necessary to specify that a character is referenced by their first name alone. Done Remove "the main character" in this part, "is the main character and protagonist of Trigun", as the word "protagonist" already lets the reader know that this is a main character. It is too repetitive right now. Done. For some reason I often fine this claims in articles. I sometimes wonder if the lead should start with "is a fictional character" For this part, "an anime and manga series that was created by Yasuhiro Nightow", I do not think "that was" is needed. I think you can just say "an anime and manga series created by Yasuhiro Nightow". Done I would change this part, "has a $$60 billion ("double dollar") price on his head", to "has a bounty of $$60 billion ("double dollar")". The "price on his head" wording seems a little informal for me, and my version makes it a little more concise without losing the meaning. Done. Rearranged lead I would use the fictional currency like this, "$$60 billion", instead as I am uncertain about the parenthetical breaking up the flow of the sentence and since the double dollar currency does not seem important to the character and overall story, I do not think it is particularly necessary to name it here. Done. Rearranged lead I have some issues with the rearrangements, but I will put those comments at the end. Right now, the fictional currencies link is removed altogether, and it should really be there to clarify to an unfamiliar reader like myself that this currency is fictional. Aoba47 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC) This sentence, "He displays a kindhearted character.", is rather short and comes out of left field. I am assuming that you intended it to be a contrast with his more bloodthirsty reputation, but I would try to incorporate this information in the lead in a better way. Done. Rearranged lead I have a clarification question on this part: "Most of the destruction blamed on Vash is caused by people trying capture or kill him for the reward". Since you use the word "most", I am assuming that Vash himself does cause at least some of this destruction? Just wanted to clarify this as that is how I read it. Done. Rearranged lead If he is a kindhearted character being mistakenly blamed for most of the destruction caused by others, why does he have a bounty in the first place? Done. Rearranged lead I am uncertain about this sentence: "Vash is a skilled gunman who spends most of his time traveling and meeting people." The "skilled gunman" part is good and important for a reader's understanding of the character, but I do not really understand the purpose or value of "spends most of his time traveling and meeting people". It just seems rather vague and something that could apply to a lot of other characters. Could you explain to me what it means as I am not familiar with this manga or anime at all? Move the pacifism link to this part, "Nightow created Vash as strong gunner who would stand out due to his pacifist ways", as it is the first time the concept is mentioned. Done A link to Western film may be helpful. Done I have another clarification comment, but this time, it is about "His designs primarily feature a red coat and blond hair". If he always wears the red coat and keeps his blond hair through all of his appearances, then "primarily" is not needed, but if he does not wear the red coat or changes his hair color at times, then "primarily" would be needed. Again, just wanted to clarify this as an unfamiliar reader. Revised to explained why the author talks about it in sections below. Rework this sentence: "The character was voiced by Masaya Onosaka in Japanese and Johnny Yong Bosch in English who formed friendly bonds with coworkers." The "who..." phrase should be placed directly after the person being described not after the word "English". Done. I would revise this sentence, "Nightow expressed surprise at the popularity the character received.", to "Nightow was surprised at the character's popularity" to be more concise. Done I am not sure what this, "pacifism that often backfires in the narrative", means? Done. For this part, "The character was popular when the anime adaptation aired", I would say "remained popular in the anime adaptation" instead. Done. Apologies for the late start to the review. Feel free to address these comments now. I have a few clarification questions/comments as I know absolutely nothing about the manga/anime. That is the fun part of reading Wikipedia and reviewing articles as I can learn new things. I hope my comments are helpful. I definitely should go back to working on fictional character articles in the future. Have a great rest of your day. Aoba47 (talk) 05:13, 26 April 2020 (UTC) Done. No problem. Since they toned down the quarantine a bit here, I'm a bit busy too. Feel free to revise anything.Tintor2 (talk) 14:58, 26 April 2020 (UTC) @Aoba47: I think covered everything but I kind of rewrote the first paragraph.Tintor2 (talk) 21:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for the responses. I must admit that the revisions to the lead introduced more problems and I will add further suggestions below. Aoba47 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Thanks for the response. Did another revision. Rest for now.Tintor2 (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2020 (UTC) For this part, " Vash is the most feared outlaw on the planet Gunsmoke", start the sentence with "he" rather than "Vash". The previous sentence starts with the character's name so it would be better to add variety to keep the reader engaged. Revised I would revise this part, "The destruction is blamed on Vash", to something like, "The destruction attributed to Vash". This one is hard. Revised. Vash is actually responsible for the destruction of a city but it was also triggered by Knives as his past is explored. I can understand that is tricky and it is good to summarize the plot accurately, but this sentence, "He is the most feared outlaw on the planet Gunsmoke who has earned a bounty of $$60 billion ("double dollar") for the destruction of a city later revealed to be as a result of a supernatural power Vash failed to control.", is very awkwardly constructed and requires revision. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I still have the same issue with this part: "who spends most of his time traveling and meeting people". Almost every fictional character spends time traveling and meeting people. Unless there is some more unique about this, it really tells the reader nothing about the character. I would instead use this: "Vash is a skilled gunman whose past is explored while facing enemies working for his twin brother Millions Knives." Revised. I preferred the original version of the lead where the film was mentioned in the first sentence. It is also unclear what you mean by "one-shots". Are you referencing one-shot (comics)? Added links to one-shot but is the film necessary there? I mean the primary media is from mid 90s while the film was released in 2010. I would move it to the second paragraph then as the information seems awkwardly tacked on to the end of the paragraph. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I would also remove this part, "that set him where he forms new bonds and enemies", completely as it does not add anything of value. Almost every story out there involves the protagonist making friends and enemies. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I looked through the article to look further into the Western film connection, and I could only see it in the sentence in which a Anime News Network said the character seems to be influenced by Western films. Do you have any further information on Nightow looking at Western films to shape this character, specifically his pacifism, because right now, I do not see how it is supported through a citation? He only used the term action films. Thank you for the clarification. I still think the sentence in the lead needs work though. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) The last half of this sentence, "His designs primarily feature a red coat and blond hair, something is briefly revised in the manga not only due to his hidden weaponry but also supernatural traits.", does not make any sense to me and is awkwardly worded. Revised I would honestly go back to the original sentence, ""His designs primarily feature a red coat and blond hair.", as it is far more concise and I think the further revisions actually made it worse. I never said to change this sentence. I just had a question about it so I could better understand it. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) This sentence, "Critical reception to Vash has been positive because he avoids common cliches and embraces pacifism that often backfires in the narrative as when allowing an enemy to live, he can accidentally lead them to kill a person.", is also awkwardly worded and needs to be completely revised. I'd break this up into two sentences instead of trying to make it one. What are these "common cliches"? Revised. Hope it helps. I like that you separated these two ideas into two separate sentences, but I am still not really understanding what you are trying to say here. Aoba47 (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I have not gotten to these sections yet, but there should not be one-sentence sections like the "Merchandise" and "In popular culture" ones. I was thinking of that too. I merged the shorter sections that avoid reviews. I hope that I do not come across as harsh or rude with these comments. I am just trying to help improve the article as best as I can. I will wait to look through the rest of the article until this part is complete. Hope you are doing well. Aoba47 (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I have gone in and heavily revised the lead myself to address most of the points that I have raised above. I did not change these three sentences (the one about Nightow being inspired by action movies to characterize Vash a a pacifist and the two about the critical response to the character's personality and pacifism) as I am honestly not quite certain what is meant there. I would focus your revisions there first. Also, do not forget to address the "n.a." part for the infobox image's "Media data and Non-free use rationale" box. Aoba47 (talk) 09:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC) @Aoba47: No problem. I removed the N.A. from the infobox and wrote a text instead. I tried revising the lead again since the manga and anime sections give in general mixed responses in regards to the handling of Vash's pacifism at first.Tintor2 (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC) BTW, did you revise the sentence about the city's destruction. Don't know if I should revise it.Tintor2 (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC) As I have already said above, I did heavily revise the lead except for three parts. Aoba47 (talk) 17:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Revised again. Hope it works.Tintor2 (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I have revised that particular line to read more clearly. I still think the sentence on action films needs work, particularly this part "something he believed was strange in action films as he aimed to explore more the characters he clashes with". I am even more confused about the reception of the character's pacifism. At first, the lead said the reception focused on how Vash's refusal to kill his enemies result in unintended consequences, and now it's about how the story takes the pacifism seriously and criticism on how it is repetitive. That's a completely different angle so I am lost here. Aoba47 (talk) 17:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I have also just noticed that there are four voice actors mentioned in the infobox, but the lead only ever mentioned two of the four. Why is that? Aoba47 (talk) 18:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC) I must have forgotten about those two actors. I tried making the claim about his pacifist clearer. In the story Vash is completely against the idea of murders to the point he suffers a mental breakdown in the anime when he is forced to kill a person regardless of situation. Nightow's next work was Western based series Gungrave where murders are really common. Thank you for the clarification and that makes sense to me. I have revised it somewhat, but I like your revision overall. Aoba47 (talk) 18:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC) When it comes to critics handling Vash's pacifism, in general it tends to be praised for the depth of the character but in some cases like Mania says in reception, sometimes it can be annoying. For example, in a battle of the manga, Vash defeats one of Knives' assassins but lets him live. Then the manga makes the character hold a weapon and shout something. Immediately afterwards a dude named Wolfwood shoots the assassin but Vash remains in grief for the what happened as he is still against murders due to the morals he was taught by Rem. Hope this helpsTintor2 (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for the explanation. I would try to find a sentence that references how some critics enjoyed Vash's pacifism as a way to develop the character, while others did not like. I am not sure exactly how to word it myself, but I think it would better to include something like that in the lead to show that there was a mixed response to this if that makes sense. Aoba47 (talk) 18:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC) There are both positive and negative responses to Vash's way of life in the reception. You mean changing more the lead?Tintor2 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Yes. We have been only talking about the lead and infobox parts so far. I would replace the current sentence in the lead with a more specific one that says what aspect of Vash's pacifism received praise and what aspect received criticism. Aoba47 (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Tried a bit shorter one. To make it simpler to explain, in his first appearance Vash defeats a band of thieves by shooting them with toy bullets. The series starts in a positive state for Vash considering he is like unlikely hero but it keeps becoming darker when confronting Knives' men.Tintor2 (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for the explanation. I understand what you mean, but the sentence still needs further work. Parts of the current sentence, (His ideals of pacifism earned mix response due to initially standing out as a heroic figure while also leading to negative consequences should it fail.), is not grammatically correct. Specifically, this part, (initially standing out as a heroic figure), does not really work in the context of the overall sentence. Again, I understand what you mean, but the wording needs improvement. I would also avoid saying the word "earned" in this context, and I think "received" would be a better word choice here. It should also be "a mixed response" not just "mix response". I will start reviewing this next section when this part is ironed out further. Aoba47 (talk) 17:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC) Change those. Hope it works.Tintor2 (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC) I have revised it further. I will post my comments for the "Concept and creation" section, including the "Voice actors" subsection, by the end of today. I am in the Eastern Time Zone for reference. Thank you for your patience with the review. I am just trying to be as thorough as possible to improve the article as much as possible. Aoba47 (talk) 19:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC) No prob. By the way, a fellow user gave the prose a look to revise possible issues.Tintor2 (talk) 21:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Concept and creation

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The image caption needs a period since it is a full sentence. Done The caption itself is somewhat plain. It might be worth noting here that he was the writer and illustrator for the manga. Maybe something like the following: (Vash the Stampede was designed by Yasuhiro Nightow, the writer and illustrator of the Trigun manga.)? Added This has not been added? Aoba47 (talk) 05:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Add ALT text to the image. Done The first sentence is rather short, and I think it would read better and more smoothly to combine it with the second sentence. While I appreciate that you combined these two sentences, I needs further work. I would also avoid repeating "name" twice in the same sentence if possible. Aoba47 (talk) 04:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Done I would remove the manga author as I do not think it is particularly helpful. You can link manga since it is linked in the lead, but I think the phrase "manga author" is pretty common sense for an average reader to understand. Done I do not really understand this part: (in contrast to other names that were references). References to what? Done. Nicholas among other characters are references to brands. Same thing with some characters from Gungrave. I am still confused by this point. So that means "Meryl Stryfe" and "Milly Thompson" are company names? How are those names references to brands/companies? I tried looking up "Millions Knives", and I only saw references to the character from this. Aoba47 (talk) 04:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Yep. Some are references like Wolfoood or Rem ("Vash was his original creation but took Wolfwood from outside inspiration. There's a band named "Wolfwood," and he took the lead singer as his image for the priest." I do not really understand this sentence either: (Nightow made the character a pacifist because he felt it was strange that people are always dying in action movies and wondered why they died so suddenly.) How does Nightow's confusion about characters frequently dying in action films translate to him making the lead character a pacifist? I am just not getting the connection. Does he (or anyone else) explain this point further? Specified. Vash avoids killing enemies and thus just disarms them or scare them with toys The sentence, (Vash would thus avoid killing enemies' thanks to his skills with different fireweapons by disarming his enemies or avoiding mortal wounds.), still needs work as it is phrased rather awkwardly. I would try to make it more concise and go from there. Aoba47 (talk) 04:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC) I have three comments for this sentence: (Vash would avoid killing enemies' thanks to his skills as a gunman). How do these skills help me to avoid killing enemies. Usually, gun skills would be associated with the opposite type of behavior. The apostrophe with the word "enemies" is not needed. The phrase "his skills as a gunman" is used twice in this paragraph, and I would honestly avoid that. I have two points about this sentence: (Nightow had been aiming towards Vash's character when creating the Trigun manga to contrast his skills as a gunman.) Link Trigun as this is the first time it is mentioned. Done What do you mean by "had been aiming towards"? I do not understand this. Where? It was part of the article when I was reading it. Aoba47 (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC) I could add further clarification to this sentence: (Nightow wanted Vash's design to be distinct.) How did Nightow want to make Vash's design distinct? Is there any more information about this? I am asking these questions because the current phrasing can be applied to anything. Any writer wants their characters to be distinct from others. Specified a bit. This part is not really specified any further. The new phrasing, (When coming to make Vash's appearance distinctive as a result of him being the main character,). Also the current sentence does not make sense. If you read the sentence as a whole, (When coming to make Vash's appearance distinctive as a result of him being the main character, his hair color would often in the serialization.), it literally means that "his hair color" is doing the action in the previous phrase. It needs further revision. Aoba47 (talk) 04:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Given this sentence, (He said while Vash's hair color changes often, he could not reveal the reason to the fanbase.), I would remove the part about his blonde hair in the lead. I would actually remove the entire sentence about the hair and coat from the lead since this section does not really say that these are defining features for the characters as I had originally thought when I first read the lead by itself. Well, the hair is major kind of twist in regards to his actions that is later in referenced in the appearances section so expanded a bit. I really do not understand this sentence at all: (Vash's red coat was made to look lighter than it appears while his eyesight must be good enough for him to face gun fighters.) Removed. The eyesight was moved. I do not fully understand the new sentence: (In order to make Vash a strong fighter, Nightow gave him an eyesight good enough for him to face gun fighters.). Does he have a special kind of eyesight that sets him apart from other characters? Aoba47 (talk) 05:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC) I would revise the second paragraph to give it more flow. Right now, it is very disjointed. The first three sentences about the character design, although the jumps from talking about his hair and then to his coat are rather jarring, and then the part about the characterization comes out of left field. I tried making the design have its own section I would move the sentence about the eyes to the second paragraph as this one seems more focused on the gun design. Since the second paragraph talks about Vash's appearances, the eyes sentence would be a better fit there instead. I have a question for this part: (Nightow said Vash's gun design is a huge problem because it had to look dangerous and reliable, but also cool.). Does he explain how this was a "huge problem"? I do not really understand this. I also think the "huge problem" wording is too informal. Made more neutral I have a few comments for this part (In the gun's original design there was no way of opening it to insert bullets so Nightow redesigned it using a picture of an upside-down barrel.) There should be a comma between "design" and "there". Done I would avoid using design/redesigned as it is repetitive A link to gun barrel may be helpful for those unfamiliar with guns. I would avoid using the word "designing" in this part, (Nightow found designing the odd guns that came in later episodes difficult,), as it is rather repetitive, especially given the design/redesigned repeat in the previous sentence. Revised As someone completely unfamiliar with the manga or anime, I get completely lost at the end of the third paragraph when "odd guns" and "angel arms" are mentioned. The whole creating matter and giving birth part is also very confusing as it is just dropped there with very little context or explanation. Explained. The Angel Arm is the mutation that Vash has that destroyed a city. I still find this part to be confusing. Aoba47 (talk) 05:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Revised a bit I have a few comments about the fourth paragraph. Meryl has not been introduced at this point so her mention here does not really make sense to an unfamiliar reader. Done I do not consider "supporting character" to be a helpful descriptive phrase as I am sure that could be applied to almost all of the characters. Aoba47 (talk) 05:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Added tidbit Revised The first sentence repeats "anime" twice. Maybe something like the following would be better: (In the early anime episodes, director Satoshi Nishimura used Meryl's point of view to obscure Vash's true identity)? It still does not solve the above issue with Meryl though. Done What is "this episode" being referenced here: (suggested not allowing Vash to shoot a bullet until this episode)? Specified. I do not think "allowing" is the right word choice for that part. Vash the Stampede is a fictional character, and the phrasing "not allowing" kind of implies that he is being restricted from doing something when Vash has no free will of his own outside of the writers, directors, etc. I'd go with a different word there. Done I would reorganize the first paragraph. I think it would be best to start with the part on Vash's name and then move into the parts on his pacifism. I would then go into the parts on Vash's personality and how Nightow liked him more than other characters and end with the part on the character's popularity. I think this would help to make the paragraph more cohesive overall. Reorganized. First name, then personality. I think this sentence, (As a result, Vash avoids killing enemies' thanks to his skills with different fireweapons by disarming his enemies or avoiding mortal wounds.), could use further work as it reads awkwardly. I do not think "keep" is the best word choice here: (Vash's cheerful personality was made to keep this trait). I would say "reflect", "represent", or something along those lines. Done. Replaced that word. I would still like further clarification on this part: (In order to make Vash a strong fighter, Nightow gave him an eyesight good enough for him to face gun fighters.). Added brief detail I think this sentence (Comparing Vash's manga characterization with his anime persona, Nightow said in the manga Vash does not have as many crushes on the women he meets.) could be said in a more concise way without the repetition of "manga". Removed This sentence, (When coming to make Vash's appearance distinctive as a result of him being the main character, his hair color would often in the serialization.), is not grammatically correct and very awkwardly constructed. If you read it literally, you are saying that "his hair color" is doing the action of the previous phrase when that is not the case. Also, this part, (would often in the serialization), does not make any sense. I do not think this part is needed: (However, he could not reveal the reason for this to the fanbase.). Unless you could clarify further why he chose to not talk about the reason for Vash's changing hair color, then this does not really say a lot in my opinion. My mistake for not writing well the next sentence. For this part, (During the series' climax, Vash's blond hair would become completely black as a secondary effect of overusing his supernatural powers in the story), the phrase "in the story" is not needed so delete it. I do not think this part, (Despite his efforts in his design,), really works in this sentence: (Despite his efforts in his design, Nightow regrets giving Vash and antagonist Legato Bluesummers detailed eyes because he drew them inconsistently in the manga.). Explained. I forgot the word. Vash's hair goes from blond to black not because of bleaching it but because of his true nature. (It's briefly explained in the manga, but basically Vash and Knives are "plants" that can grow the Angel Arms and age really slow. When Vash's hair goes black, he has become a normal human) I still find the last half of the third paragraph, specifically about the "odd guns" and the "Angel Arms", to be very confusing. Reworded. There were some rejected ideas. The Angel arms bit was also revised. Basically it's a reference to child birth. I think this part (anime director Satoshi Nishimura wanted the view of Vash's true identity to be taken from fellow character Meryl Stryfe who continuously follows) is awkwardly worded, and I would suggest further revision. The descriptive phrase "fellow character" is not particularly helpful. Use something that would help an unfamiliar reader understand who this character is, because almost every character in this could be identified as a "fellow character". Aoba47 (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Rearranged. Thanks for this. It felt a bit easier to revise now.Tintor2 (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC) I copy-edited several areas to fix some of the prose. The first sentence of the second paragraph needs to be completely rewritten from scratch. Done The sentence is still not good so I revise it myself. Aoba47 (talk) 04:56, 30 April 2020 (UTC) For this sentence, (However, he could not reveal the reason for this to the fanbase), I am imagining that he could reveal the reason, but he choose not to. I would revise this and add more context if it is available like why he did not want to talk about this? Done For this part, (During the series' climax, it is revealed that the real for Vash's blond hair), the "real" what? Fixed This sentence, (Vash's designs primarily feature a red coat and blond hair.), is not really mentioned here. Unless there is a source that explicitly described the red coat and blond hair as signature elements of the character's design, it should be eliminated from the lead. Wasn't that from the lead? Removed still. These are my final comments for this section. Aoba47 (talk) 02:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Voice actors

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I have two comments for this sentence (Onosaka said they were unaware when the feature film would be made and that most of the cast and crew felt left in the dark regarding the film for a long time before production began.) I would cut "regarding the film" as it is already clear from context, and it would avoid the repetition of the word "film" twice in the same sentence. Done Is the "they" pronoun choice deliberate when referencing Masaya Onosaka? Is that there preferred gender pronoun? If that is not the case, I would go with "his" since the Wikipedia article uses male pronouns. This is the first time a feature film is mentioned in the body of the article so further context is needed as it does not make much sense to an unfamiliar reader like myself. Since a large portion of the first paragraph is about the film, I was pretty confused the entire time while reading this. These two points have not been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 05:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Now I found understand this comment. Revised. I am sure this sentence, (The film was going to be about "Vash vs. Wolfwood".), means something to people familiar with Trigun, but I have no idea who or what "Wolfwood" is so this means absolutely nothing to me. Removed I would tighten up the prose for this sentence: (Onosaka felt good when the film was announced because his character would be featured in theaters for the first time and that all the Trigun cast members would be working together for the first time in twelve years since the series ended.) I think the same information can be conveyed in a more concise manner. This has not been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Who is "her character" in this sentence: (Fellow voice actor Maaya Sakamoto said she liked being involved in the film because she saw Vash through her character.)? Also, why is that a big deal to Maaya Sakamoto? Does she specify further why? I am sure every single character in this has his or her own perspective of the character, but the sentence makes it out like this is some big deal that I am just not getting. Added caharacter Who's Amelia Ann McFly? Aoba47 (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Explained. Sakamoto was the main star of the film. I would revise this part, (Kōki Miyata voiced Vash as a child.) to something like the following, (Vash as a child is voiced by Kōki Miyata). It is generally better to avoid the passive tense, but this sentence could be misread as Kōki Miyata voicing the character while he himself is a child and not the character so I would avoid any room for misinterpretation. Revised The phrase (English-language voice) just sounds weird. I would change that to something else. Done I would combine the first two sentences of the second paragraph as I think that would be a more effective way of convey the information rather than parsing it out with a semicolon. Done I would avoid the repetition of the word "heard" in the second and third sentence of the same paragraph. Done If Bosch has previously acted in Power Rangers, then this part, (it was the first job of his acting career), is not true. Could you clarify this point for me? According to his Wikipedia page, he did a lot of Power Rangers work prior to this. Revised. It was his debut as voice actor. Did Bosch explain why he felt a "quiet tone" was a better fit for the character? Revised I do not see a revision to this part? Aoba47 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC) For this part, (Bosch tried to use a quiet tone to fit his character. Bosch came to like his character), I would avoid repeating the phrase "his character" twice in such close proximity. You even use "his character" later in the same paragraph to make it a third time. I don't Done Unless love and peace are explicitly capitalized in the manga or anime, I would not do so here: (the line "This world is made of Love and Peace!".). Revised. Since Nicholas D. Wolfwood has not been introduced yet, the character's mention here really does not make any sense to me. And for that sentence, I would start it with Vash instead of "his character" as the current wording sounds weird. Done. Again, just saying someone is a supporting character is not really helpful for helping the reader understand who this is. Aoba47 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Revised. The phrase "young persona" sounds weird. I would try something else. Revised How is Bryce Papenbrook's work in Blue Exorcist relevant here? Removed I am not certain that this sentence, (Bosch would work alongside him again and enjoyed it greatly), is entirely necessary. It is common for actors to work together on multiple projects and unless there is something that ties back to this character, then it is not relevant and should be removed. Aoba47 (talk) 02:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Rechecked the interview but Bosch claims that he worked alone not only alongside other actors. Thanks for the comments and patience with it. Hope I tried fixing all.Tintor2 (talk) 04:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Do not request copy-edits from other editors, as done here, while I am conducting a review. It would make it harder for me to run a review if the article itself is not stable. Aoba47 (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC) I would revise this sentence, (In Japanese, Vash is voiced by Masaya Onosaka starting in the anime that premiered in Japan in 1998), to something like the following: (Masaya Onosaka started voicing Vash in the anime, which premiered in Japan in 1998). Done I would just say "film" instead of "feature film". Done I would add the year that the film was released. Added though I'm not sure if it's the right place. The "regarding the film" part is not needed in this section: (would be made and that most of the cast and crew felt left in the dark regarding the movie for a long time before production began.). I would remove it as it is already clear from the context of the sentence. Removed. I think it would be beneficial to clarify that Amelia Ann McFly was a new character for the film as it would help to explain Maaya Sakamoto's excitement about seeing Vash through this new character's eyes. Done I would say "English-dubbed version" rather than "English adaptation" in this part: (In the English adaptation of the anime series,). The word "adaptation" implies to me a very different Done. I understand the intended meaning of this part, (Vash's voice is provided by voice acting newcomer Johnny Yong Bosch), but I think it could be said better. Moved. This part, (until he was selecting for the leading role.), does not make sense as he was not "selecting for the lead role". I would say "hired for the lead role". Done I am a little confused by this part, (Bosch came to like his character), as it implies to me that he either disliked or was indifferent about the character until he finally came to like him. Revised This part, (The duo of Vash and fellow character Nicholas D. Wolfwood were Bosch's favorite characters), is rather awkwardly worded. I would also use a better descriptive phrase than "fellow character". Revised. Still, in that way it kinda feels unrelated right? You were the one that added the part about Nicholas D. Wolfwood being one of Bosch's favorite characters in the first place. If you think it is unrelated, then remove it. If you want to keep it, then you still need to add a better descriptive phrase in front of it instead of just referring to him as a "character". Aoba47 (talk) 05:00, 30 April 2020 (UTC) In this part, (Vash's infant self is voiced by Bryce Papenbrook.), the phrase "infant self" seems weird to me. Aoba47 (talk) 18:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Revised.Tintor2 (talk) 03:19, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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I am a little confused by this part: (containing the last few surviving humans who had fled Earth after its destruction) So they fled Earth after it was destroyed not right before it got destroyed? I just want to make sure about the timeline of this. Fixed. Earth was abandoned. For this part, (Through Rem, Vash gains a newfound respect for life.), I would specify in the beginning what he does with Rem. Like "Through talking to Rem" or whatever they do together in the flashbacks. Revised. Rem educates the Vash. I am a little lost with the timeline of the first paragraph. Vash and Millions Knives are at first described as infants. Infants are very young being even below the age of a toddler. So I am confused when Knives amputates Vash's left arm and both characters do things that an infant would not normally be capable of. Is there a time jump in this? Like they find Rem as infants, but time pass and they become older? This is a manga though so anything is possible, but I would like some clarification on this part. There is no origin. Rem finds the two boys and calls them Plants because of their nature. They look like adults when splitting. How did they get to the space ship colony to begin with, especially as infants? Rem just found there in the ship. The word "secures" does not make sense in this context, (The incident secures Vash's reputation as "The Humanoid Typhoon"), and it should be "earns" instead. Done I am not sure I understand what this (who work to evaluate the dangers he provoked) means? Revised. Basically, they have to prove if Vash is innocent or not based on their research. Maybe change this (who becomes his ally as a fighter.) to something like (who fights alongside him)? Done. "However" does not really make sense in this context (However, Vash is targeted). Revised I would condense this (who starts sending his assassins, the Gung-ho Guns, to defeat them.) somewhat by just saying "who sends". The "starts" part is not necessary as it does not add much. Revised You reference Millions Knives by Knives, which I am assuming is his last name, but you reference Legato Bluesummers as Legato, which is his first name. Be consistent with one way or the other. Knives is the common name here. Vash is always called Vash while Wolfwood is called by his last name. What is "the city" being referenced here (Knives then tries to use Vash's Angel Arm again to wipe out the city.)? They don't give the name of the city. I do not think the "ending the Trigun manga" is necessary here: (Knives then tries to use Vash's Angel Arm again to wipe out the city. Vash resists and redirects the blast upward, where it hits one of the moons of No-man's Land, ending the Trigun manga.) Done I would reword this part (No-man's Chaos Involving a Moon) as it does not make sense in its current format. Done I do not understand this part (Wolfwood discovers Vash relating Knives' exploits and progress in wiping out humanity), specifically the "relating" word choice. Revised The word "learns" is used three times in a very close proximity in the third paragraph. I would avoid that as it is repetitive. Revised I have two questions about this part (Knives uses his powers to shut down the satellites used to communicate with Earth;) What are Knives' powers? And I thought Earth was destroyed? Revised. Earth keeps sending people to other planet For this part (Wolfwood, revealed as Gung-ho Gun,), I think it should read as "a member of the Gung-ho Guns" as in a previous sentence, they are mentioned as a group of assassins and not just one individual person. Done These two parts (who fights with Gung-ho Gun Livio to the death) and (When Wolfwood dies, Livio, Wolfwood's childhood friend, joins Vash' cause while grieving for his friend's death) would benefit from revision. Done I have a clarification question about this part (a floating ship designed to leave humans without any resources). How does the Ark do this? It's basically a dark take on Noah's Ark with the Plant (Knives) being able to take the resources. I would revise this part (Vash whose powers have turned him into a normal human and whose blond hair has become black) as the prose is awkwardly constructed. Revised Is there a way to word this (Vash defeats Legato and breaks his vow not to kill when the defeated Legato threatens Livio.) without repeating Legato's name? Revised I am assuming from the above part that Vash kills Legato, but it is not made explicitly clear. Revised I was slightly confused by this part (Through his battle with his brother, Knives also starts losing the powers he stored from beings known as Plants.) as the previous part was about a fight with Legato and all of a sudden, it is about a fight with Knives. I would find a way to better transition to this info. Revised. Basically, Vash ruins Knives' Ark. At the end of the last paragraph, you say Vash saves Knives and then talk about Knives' death in the next sentence. How did he die? How was he helping his brother? It is not explicitly clear what is going on. Aoba47 (talk) 03:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC) Revised. Thanks for the comments. It's a bit late here so I'll revise any other issue tomorrow.Tintor2 (talk) 04:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC) For this part, (flashbacks from the Trigun manga where the children live in a spaceship), I would use "when" as opposed to "where" since this is referring to the flashbacks part and that is more of a time thing. Done For this part, (They are protected by a researcher named Rem Saverem in a space ship colony.), who or what are they being protected from? Done. For this part, (discover another Plant, Tessla, which had previously been studied by the crew.), it should be "who" since you are referring to a person. Removed There seems to be a big jump from this sentence, (Knives and Vash later stumble upon a restricted area and discover another Plant, Tessla, which had previously been studied by the crew.) , to this one, (Rem sacrifices herself to send Vash and Knives aboard an escape pod to the planet No-man's Land.). What was Rem sacrificing herself for? Why did she put Vash and Knives on an escape pod? Revised. Rem apparently knew Knives's nature I am not sure what this part, (which occurs two years after No-man's Chaos Moon), means. Revised. Two years after Vash destroyed a moon. In this part, (a survivor of July, seeks revenge on Vash, seeking him dead rather than torment per Knives' orders), I would avoid having seeks/seeking in the same sentence. Revised I am not really sure what this, (dies in combat for betrayal), means. Revised. The assassins were not meant to kill Vash but just torture him. There is an error here: (When Wolfwood dies, When Wolfwood dies, Livio, Wolfwood's childhood friend, joins Vash' cause while grieving for his friend's death.). I would condense this, (a floating ship designed to leave humans without any resources, intending to the end life in the planet.) to this, (a floating ship designed to leave humans without any resources and end life on the planet.). Revised I am confused by this part: (now having transformed into a normal human signified by his blond hair becoming black). In the previous section, it is said that his hair turns black as a result of his powers, and now, this says it is a result of him becoming a "normal human"? Revised This sentence, (Following Knives' defeat, he uses his last powers to help his brother by creating a small fruit tree to feed him, disappearing in the process.), does not make sense. I assumed the "he" in question was Vash and that he did the actions here when that does not appear to be the case in the next sentence. This needs to be rewritten. Aoba47 (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC) Revised.

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I am very confused by this sentence: (In the anime, Vash, labelled as "Plant", requires a special weapon known as the Angel Arm to fully activate his powers.) Since we already know at this point that Vash is a "Plant", is the (labelled as "Plant") part really necessary? If it is going to be kept, it should be specified who is doing the labelling. Also, it should be Angel Arms not Angel Arm. I thought Angel Arms was a part of Vash's powers and not a separate thing altogether? Trimmed I have two questions about this part: (A wandering Vash shoots Knives and escapes.) Why is Vash "wandering" and why does she shoot Knives? Expanded. What is a "SEEDS ship"? Revised. Another fleet that of survivors. The previous section refers to the city as July, but this section uses the phrase July City. I would be consistent with one way or the other. Revised This sentence (Despite their efforts, a ship crashes to the planet due to Legato's forces.) does not make sense as if you read it literally you are saying that the "ship" is the one doing the efforts. In this kind of sentence, the noun is supposed to be connected to the previous phrase. This needs revision. I do not completely understand who is being referenced here: (As the two interact, Wolfwood decides to live like his friend but is killed by one of Knives' men.) I am guessing that it's Vash and Wolfwood, but it is entirely clear. This sentence (To cause Vash further grief from Knives' orders, Legato controls a town to oppose Vash.) would benefit from revision. Revised. Wolfwood dies In this sentence (Vash confronts and defeats Knives, then decides to take on a new way of life.) by "defeats" does that mean he killed Knives? It's left ambiguous but Vash still is seen in the final scene carrying Knives' body while smiling so it's hard to get what he did. I do not understand this part (where rumors say a thief might appear causing an enormous influx of bounty hunters who want to collect the bounty for Vash's head.). How would a thief's appearance affect bounty hunters who are after Vash? Revised There are several issues with this part (The person Amelia Ann McFly ends joining Vash). It is not grammatically correct and the "person" is a very weird way of describing a character. For this part (Vash has also appears in alternative stories), it should be "has also appeared". Revised. For this part (published in a manga anthology by several artists), the "several artists" part is not needed as I think that can be assumed from the anthology part. Done This part (include a prologue to Badlands Rumble, protecting a village from thieves) does not make sense as it reads that the prologue is protecting a village from thieves. Aoba47 (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC) Revised This sentence (Despite their efforts, a ship crashes to the planet due to Legato's forces.) is still grammatically incorrect and it is unclear who is being referenced by "their". Removed. It doesn't really add anything. These two parts (This forces Vash to kill Legato in order to save his friends) and (This tortures Vash, but he finds peace when Meryl says any person can find redemption regardless of his or her actions.) start with "This...". I would avoid this type of repetition as it prevents the reader from being as engaged in the prose. Revised I have two questions about this sentence: (Vash then decides to take on a new way of life and returns with his brother's body to Meryl and Mully) What is the "new way of life" mentioned? I reworded the previous sentence slightly, but who can Knives' fate be ambiguous, if Vash has his body? Aoba47 (talk) 02:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Another ambiguous part of the ending. Vash simply says his new way of life will be different as he takes of his red coat. I seriously have no idea what it was supposed to be so I think it has to do with writer Kuroda who also ended Gungrave's anime (written by Nightow) with another open ending. The red coat is what always reminded Vash of Rem and upon ending the fight he removes the red coat. Probably meaning something more of his style but I have no idea. Same with Knives' fate. Whether he is gonna bury him or treat him is unknown.Tintor2 (talk) 03:04, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Thank you for the explanation. I understand the part about Vash's new way of life being ambiguous as I have watched many shows that leave characters on a similar ending. I was only confused by the Knives part because when you mention that Vash has his body, it makes me sound like he is dead (i.e. a corpse), but I can also understand your point. Maybe this was done intentionally to leave room for further stories with these characters, but that is pure speculation on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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You do not need to use the SPJA acronym as it is not referenced elsewhere in the article. I would remove the parenthetical after the society's name. Donbe IGN should be in italics. Done. I think I'll have add more italics in critics For this part (in anime media based on his skills and personality), I would just say "anime" instead of "anime media". Done I have a follow-up question to this sentence (The lead singer of Mushroomhead wore a Vash the Stampede coat in many concerts before it was stolen from his dressing room). Did he ever recover the coat or find out who stole it? Unlink Boichi as he was linked in a previous section already. Aoba47 (talk) 22:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC) Done Thanks for the responses.Tintor2 (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC) @Aoba47: By the way, I rearranged a bit the critical reception. 1 focused on his manga persona, the second on his anime persona, 3 the relationship with Knives, 4 the movie, and 5 the voice actors. Hope it's better organized.Tintor2 (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Since this character is from both a manga and an anime, it is odd that this sentence (Vash the Stampede has been a popular anime character.) only mentions him as a popular anime character. Removed Spike Spiegel and Cowboy Bebop were already linked in a previous section so they should be unlinked here. I would also unlink Bosch's name in the image caption. Removed. Wait, B This part (along with Cowboy Bebop's Spike Spiegel and Sakura Kinomoto from Clamp's Cardcaptor Sakura manga.) only mentions the artist for one of the two mangas. Since it is not really relevant to this article, I would remove "Clamp's" completely. There are two points here: (comparing him with Himura Kenshin from Nobuhiro Watsuki's Rurouni Kenshin manga because of their pacifism.). I do not think the artist's name is relevant enough to this article to warrant a mention in the prose, and it should be "compared" not "comparing". In this sentence (Manga Life compared Vash's way of life with that of the American mid-west in the 1800s.), it should read as "the American Midwest". You could include a link to the Midwestern United States if you feel like it is helpful. Done I would revise this part (he fights to protect others and despite his victories, he is never seen as an overpowered fighter) to something like the following (he fights to protect others and despite his victories, he is never seen as overpowered) to avoid having fights/fighter in the same sentence. Done In this sentence (In the book Anime Impact: The Movies and Shows that Changed the World of Japanese Animation, Vash is compared to John McClane from the Die Hard action films because of the similar misunderstandings the two go through while facing enemies.), I would include the author's name (Chris Stuckmann) in the prose as he is notable on his own. Done For this part (While finding this portrayal is faithful to the original one,) remove the "is" between "portrayal" and "faithful". Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Done Once these comments are addressed, I will pass this as a GA. Thank you for your patience with the review. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Thanks for the patience with this article.Tintor2 (talk) 03:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. I will pass this. Aoba47 (talk) 19:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)