Talk:Verax (film)

Copies of the AFP article

Copies include:

• • Tam, Aaron. "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at Fox News. June 29, 2013.
  • ""Hong Kong amateur filmmakers produce world's first Edward Snowden film". South China Morning Post (Hong Kong). Agence France-Presse. June 30, 2013. (seems to be copy)
  • "Four expatriates in Hong Kong make first film on leaker Edward Snowden." Agence France-Presse at Taipei Times Monday July 1, 2013. p. 5 (seems to be derived from AFP sources)
  • "‘Verax’ frenzy." Agence France-Presse at Global Times. June 30, 2013. (seems to be copy)
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers make Snowden movie." Agence France-Presse at Arab News. Saturday 29 June 2013.
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Agence France-Presse at Geo TV. June 30, 2013. (seems to be copy)
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers to make Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at The Nation. June 30, 2013.
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Bangkok Post. 30 June 2013.
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at the Economic Times. June 29, 2013.
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at NDTV. June 29, 2013.
  • "Edward Snowden: The Movie." Agence France Presse at The Australian. June 30, 2013. (seems to be copy)
  • "HK filmmakers first to make Edward Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at The Straits Times. June 29, 2013. (seems to be copy)
  • "Hong Kong filmmakers first to make Snowden movie." Agence France Presse at France 24. June 29, 2013. (seems to be copy)
• Also... "Hong Kong filmmakers publish online first movie about Edward Snowden." The Voice of Russia. Credited to: Voice of Russia, RIA Novosti, Agence France Presse -- It has multiple sources with AFP being one

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Film's use of SCMP

A tweet by "Henry Williams" (digitalhen)...

• https://twitter.com/digitalhen/status/349557814122905605 - http://www.webcitation.org/6HmfkdqCh

Identifies the South China Sentinel as being based off the South China Morning Post and the female reporter as being based on Lana Lam. Let's see if there is an RS that confirms this.

• https://twitter.com/ErnestKao - Ernest Kao, who is "Online news producer @SCMP_news. Views my own", retweeted the one by digitalhen

The character who would be based on Lana Lam would be "Lecia Lau". Also the editor of the real SCMP is Wang Xiangwei while the fictional editor is Wu Xingwei.

WhisperToMe (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Getty images of Cromeek as Snowden

These are not free images. I wonder if they can be in an EL section:

• "US school teacher Andrew Cromeek who plays Edward Snowden in 'Verax', the first film on the fugitive US intelligence leaker, poses during an interview with AFP in Hong Kong on July 2, 2013. Four amateur filmmakers in Hong Kong have beaten Hollywood to the draw by producing the first film on Edward Snowden, a five-minute thriller depicting the nail-biting intrigue surrounding the intelligence leaker when he was hiding in the city. AFP PHOTO / ANTHONY WALLACE (Photo credit should read ANTHONY WALLACE/AFP/Getty Images)." 2 July 2013. Editorial image #172273886 .
• " US school teacher, Andrew Cromeek smiles in front of a computer screen displaying a photo of himself playing Edward Snowden in 'Verax', the first film on the fugitive US intelligence leaker, during an interview with AFP in Hong Kong on July 2, 2013. Four amateur filmmakers in Hong Kong have beaten Hollywood to the draw by producing the first film on Edward Snowden, a five-minute thriller depicting the nail-biting intrigue surrounding the intelligence leaker when he was hiding in the city. AFP PHOTO / ANTHONY WALLACE (Photo credit should read ANTHONY WALLACE/AFP/Getty Images)." 2 July 2013. Editorial image #172273876 .

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Chinese name of Edwin Lee

According to this source:

• Fa, Guang (法广 Fǎ Guǎng) "美国曾致电厄瓜多尔要求拒绝给斯诺登签发庇护申请." Radio France International

The Chinese name of Edwin Lee was "李 某 Lǐ Mǒu"

• Source sentence: "剪接此片的李某(Edwin Lee)29对法新社记者表示：“能够第一个把有关斯诺登的短片推出来我特别兴奋。”"

However this source:

• Frater, Patrick. "Snowden YouTube Film Delivers Digital Snapshot." Variety. July 1, 2013.

Says that Edwin Lee's Chinese name is "李健恩 Lǐ Jiànēn"

• Source sentence: "The picture was made by a quartet of semi-professionals comprising Jeff Floro (謝夫發露), Edwin Lee (李健恩), Shawn Tse (謝兆龍) and Marcus Tsui (崔正傑), and was posted to YouTube late last week."

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

• Based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWVGDBeR42I 李健恩 is the correct Chinese name WhisperToMe (talk) 22:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Which of the four co-creators are "Cantonese"?

I am not sure which of the four co-creators are of Cantonese origin (all are expats from western countries). If any are, this would be their Cantonese:

• 李健恩 - lei5 gin6 jan1
• 謝兆龍 - ze6 (siu6 or ziu6) lung4
• 崔正傑 - ceoi1 (zeng3 or zing1 or zing3) git6

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:N

I don't think a youtube video that that isn't a cult hit on its own and is described by the LA Times as an "instafilm" merits its own page. There will soon be other documentaries that merit their own pages due in part to their length and the notability of their producers. This film's only notability is derived from Edward Snowden, so it belongs there (if anywhere). --Nstrauss (talk) 18:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

The Edward Snowden article is getting too long and some WP editors talk constantly about spitting info out. It makes sense to me to have this excellent article here for now and maybe forever. Also, it is very well done and I really enjoyed watching this 5-minute movie. It is much better time spent than much of what comes out of Hollywood. It is high class! Plus the fact that we are watching world history. Nations are pushing back, and it would not be so except for what you see in this movie. Did I mention that the music is great? The Edward Snowden article is about one person. The events he has put into motion are now bigger than that one person. The article here should stand. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It seems you're enamored with a 5-minute instafilm. I'm not sure why that means it passes the WP:N test. We don't need more than a sentence or two about this in the Snowden article (if at all), so your length concerns are not an issue. --Nstrauss (talk) 07:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

This film is notable because of the WP:GNG principle: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." - Wikipedia is a tertiary source, so it's a matter of following what other sources (newspapers) cover. There has been an immense amount of coverage on this film, in multiple languages, in multiple publications, and over time. The filmmakers have been interviewed by The Guardian and there was a piece on Andrew Cromeek, the actor playing Snowden, in The Wall Street Journal. So therefore I think this article should exist, and the Snowden article should have a sentence on Verax. Will there be other films? Yes. Do these films exist yet? No. There is also Wikipedia:Notability (films) but the supplementary criteria there do not yet apply to Verax, WhisperToMe (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Is this an RS?

• Couts, Andrew. "YouTubers create world’s first terrible ‘movie’ about Edward Snowden." Digital Trends (Archive, Archive #2). July 29, 2013.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Copies of Stephanie Ip AP article

• "Friends proud of their effort on amateur, 5-minute film about Edward Snowden’s Hong Kong stay." Montreal Gazette.
• "Amateur film takes on Edward Snowden (with video)." Vancouver Sun.
• "Edward Snowden short YouTube film billed by some as first movie about NSA leaker." New York Daily News.

WhisperToMe (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Additional non-English sources

Languages which have sources about Verax, but don't yet have articles on Verax: Croatian, Danish, Italian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Slovene, Vietnamese

• (in Croatian) d.iv/VLM. "Pogledajte prvi film o Edwardu Snowdenu!." (Archive) Večernji list. 30 July 2013.
• (in Romanian) A.M.P. ""Verax" – Primul film despre Snowden, realizat de patru cineaşti din Hong Kong." (Archive) Antena3. Intact Media Group. 29 June 2013.
• (in Italian) "Esplora il significato del termine: Snowden, è online «Verax»: primo film sulla «talpa» del Datagate." Corriere della Sera. 1 July 2013.
• (in Italian) "Datagate, il primo film su Snowden è cinese: ecco "Verax"." La Repubblica.
• (in Danish) Madsden, Sahl. "TV: Edward Snowden allerede som film." (Archive) TV2. 18 July 2013.
• (in Portuguese) "Filmes, livros e canções feitos no calor da hora refletem acontecimentos recentes." (Archive) Zero Hora. 15 July 2013.
• (in Polish) "Film o Snowdenie hitem internetu." (Archive) Interia.pl. Tuesday 30 July 2013.
• (in Slovene) "Bomo zgodbo Edwarda Snowdna gledali na filmskem platnu?" (Archive) RTV Slovenija. 21 July 2013.
• (in Serbian) ""Verax" – prvi film o Edvardu Snoudenu." (Archive) B92. 29 July 2013.
• (in Vietnamese) "Hong Kong ra mắt bộ phim đầu tiên về Snowden." Zing News. 1 July 2013. Done
• (in Vietnamese) "“Kẻ phản bội nước Mỹ” hấp dẫn giới làm phim." Thanh Nien. 1 July 2013. Done

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Jeff Floro

• Here is Jeff Floro: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/jeff-floro-hobbyist-director-speaks-during-interview-hong-photo-093354476.html - http://archive.is/wwn5T

WhisperToMe (talk) 12:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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