Talk:Villa of the Papyri

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The main article could be improved if the number of deciphered scrolls was placed next to the total scrolls available.

Also, could someone upload a digitized image of a scroll whose content has been recovered through X-raying?

You have a really well laid-out article going on here (with a table of contents and pictures and categories and everything). It's very organized and very detailed...almost too detailed. I think some sections could be more concise since they are either linked to other articles or aren't super relevant to the subject of the article. "Followers of Epicurus studied the teachings of this moral and natural philosopher. This philosophy taught that man is mortal, that the cosmos is the result of accident, that there is not providential god, and that the criterion of the good life is pleasure." could probably be cut out because readers could click the link to Epicureanism to read about it. The section on the excavation, especially in regards to the funding and the Italian government, could be more concise, and the description of Multi-spectral imaging could be shorter as well. Also, does the J. Paul Getty Museum really need a whole section in the table of contents? This information could be a lot shorter and possibly put into the introduction. Otherwise, a very good article. Kimberly Peitso --Peitso 06:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting, actually, I think the detail was required to gain a clear understanding of what was being conveyed in the article. Very insightful.

This is a really good article Anita!!! You have great organization and clarity. However, you may want to consider cutting down a little bit. For example, under the section Layout and Artwork, the first and last paragraphs seem to be very closely related. You could probably combine them and talk in one paragraph about the grounds and the landscape and what not. Also, when you discuss Epicureanism, you could probably spend a little less time actually discussing the tenets of it, just because there is already a page about it. I would focus more just on how it relates to your topic and the papyri in the house. One last thing, the part about the imaging and excavation techniques isn't really crucial to the topic. You don't have to delete it (it's actually pretty interesting) but it doesn't really have a direct corrolation to the Villa in its Roman context. All in all, this is really AWESOME article. Great Work. Al-vickers 21:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)Alexandra Vickers

I've been doing research on this library for class, and this is the best resource I've found so far. Also, the reference to the book helped me out a ton! The detail is great!

16. May 2012: Removed touristic advice "When the Ercolano site was visited on 29th April 2012 the Villa was closed with no indication of when it would reopen." I don't think the site is open for regular visits at all. It might only be possibel to visit it by special appointments. Anradt (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Alternative spelling?

"Villa de Papyri" is possibly a faulty spelling by German or English authors, but definitely not an Italian one. --46.115.34.171 (talk) Marco Pagliero Berlin

Reason for lack of excavation

I was under the impression the lack of excavation was due to poisonous gas in the lower levels, not to some report. Can someone shed some light on this?--Auric talk 22:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Article to Integrate into Page

Found a really good article on this to summarize and add this article (I would but I'm honestly awful at writing to Wikipedia standards).

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21640308-novel-technique-can-read-classical-texts-once-thought-too-delicate

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The connection of Epicurus and Democritus to Aristotle

Epicurus studied under Nausiphanes, who followed the teachings of Democritus. Why does it take so long to evaluate all the remaining scrolls???? Italy! prokaryotes (talk) 21:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

A professional excavation, or a robbery?

The Excavations section starts out, "The Bourbon excavations were halted in 1765..." -- as if the reader is supposed to know what the Bourbon excavations were. Not likely, as this is the first mention of them in the article.

And the article goes on to use the derogatory phrase "Bourbon robbers." Now, the Karl Weber article says he brought "professionalism" to the excavations. Which is it? It cannot be both a professional excavation and a robbery. This contradiction needs to be resolved. 199.46.249.146 (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Improved those parts with more details. prokaryotes (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Error is first sentence

sorry, but even the first sentence of the main article is nonsense: "The villa is located a few hundred metres from the nearest house in Herculaneum. " - but there are houses almost on the top in Vico Ascione street, as you can verify with google maps. I was shocked to see such a flaw right at the start - what else is fantasy here and was never verified? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.71.19.232 (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hm, you mean these houses? The modern ones with glass windows? This seems like a statement about the ancient town, not the modern one: Herculaneum is not the modern name, for instance, but that's what's referred to. So maybe it's not all fantasy at all? Kcrca (talk) 20:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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There is no consensus that the bust on this page is Scipio Africanus

The exhibit is certainly labelled "Scipione" at the Naples National Archaeological Museum, however:

"Identifications range from a priest of Isis to Scipio Africanus (d. 183 B.C.), who built Rome's empire in Spain, North Africa, and Asian Minor; to Scipio Aemilianus (d. 129 B.C.), who campaigned in Spain and North Africa—revealing the difficulty of identifying NM 5634."

(Reference: Pages 271 and 272 of The Villa Dei Papiri at Herculaneum: Life and Afterlife of a Sculpture Collection by Carol Mattusch and Henry Lie.) Ljredux (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)