Talk:Violin Sonata in G minor (Tartini)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ricardiana (talk · contribs) 23:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I will be reviewing this article shortly. Ricardiana (talk) 23:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I will be posting comments as I go. Please feel free to respond while I work my way through category by category. Ricardiana (talk) 03:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Well written

I see some issues here, which I list below.

• In the first sentence, "more familiarly known...sonata" is a parenthetical clause and should be offset by some kind of punctuation at each end.
• "well known" should be hyphenated as it modifies "compositions"
• "in duration" sounds wordy to me. "last fifteen," perhaps?
• Some issues with verb tense. In general, there are a number of instances where you are referring to past time from the standpoint of another moment in the past -- this requires a different verb tense. For example, "Tartini allegedly told" is in the past; "that he dreamed" is a moment yet further in the past and should therefore be "that he HAD dreamed." If you could go through the article and fix all such instances, that would be great. Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Accurate and verifiable

This looks fine in that you have used good sources. But see below. Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Broad in coverage

The big issue with this article, I'm afraid, is that it is not broad enough in its coverage. I did a quick search on Google Books and found a number of books that discuss the sonata but which are not cited, and which I think would be good to include, for example https://books.google.com/books?id=ocmjAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA191&dq=%22devil's+trill+sonata%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbgN3D5vHMAhVJqx4KHb1OB9YQ6AEISjAH#v=onepage&q=%22devil's%20trill%20sonata%22&f=false and https://books.google.com/books?id=GmW4XhPUUAEC&pg=PA166&dq=%22devil's+trill+sonata%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbgN3D5vHMAhVJqx4KHb1OB9YQ6AEIRjAG#v=onepage&q=%22devil's%20trill%20sonata%22&f=false. I also search JStor and a few articles discussing the sonata came up there as well. Let me know if you don't have access to JStor and I'll help you out.Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Neutral POV

Everything is fine here.Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Stable

Fine here as well. Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Illustrated if possible

Yes -- what are the odds of having a perfect picture for a page about a specific sonata?? Looks great. Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Overall

Pending. Ricardiana (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Reply

@Ricardiana: Thank you for reviewing Tartini's Devil's Trill Sonata. Unfortunately, I am out of the country with limited wifi access. (It automatically turns of at 22:00, in ten minutes). Unfortunately I did was not on Wikipedia until today, and it is already six or seven days since the review. I am wondering if there is a way to extend the deadline a few days?

I do not have access to JSTOR. Additionally, the second book link shows only the Google Books cover page, and not any preview useful for citations. I don't know if there is a way to search within books there. Thank you, Damibaru (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I have edited the article with your comments. However, I do not have a print copy of the second book, and thus cannot add information from that to the article, but I have added a citation for the first book. In addition, it is unclear what "Broad in Coverage" means. The article contains most, if not all of the information findable online without an special website accesses. I would assume, therefore, that there is not much more hidden away in subscription-based websites and print books. Many sources contain almost identical information (can't think of a better word here) with the exception of one or two things. Let me know what I can do, I'll be happy to help. Thanks, Damibaru (talk) 15:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Closing note

Neither the nominator, Damibaru, nor the reviewer, Ricardiana, have edited on Wikipedia in over eight weeks: Damibaru since June 6, and Ricardiana since May 27. To my eye, the article is not at all broad enough: there is nothing indicating what violinists think about its level of difficulty, how popular it is for them to program it, whether it is commonly performed, and so on. Indeed, it's quite a short article; Tartini's article has details about the sonata that are not included here, and the statement in this article that it was not published until over 30 years after his death is clearly not true if it was published in 1798 or 1799 (the infobox gives the latter date, another issue) and Tartini died in 1770. Under the circumstances, and since Ricardiana's request was not fulfilled, I am closing this GA nomination as unsuccessful. I would like to suggest that Damibaru get a peer review and look for more sources as well as more related topics before renominating this. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

There are two sonatas fitting the title description.

Indeed, both are in G minor. One is well known as "The Devil's Trill" ("Il Trillo del Diavolo"). Leopold Auer, in Violin Master Works and Their Interpretation, Dover, 1912, pp. 2-6, mentions both. He says that the one other than the Devil's Trill was called, "in Tartini's own day", Didone abbandonata (Dido abandoned). I am not sure how best to resolve the situation. Marlindale (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

It's only a problem if the other sonata gets an article. Then we can add something to one or both. For Reger, we have Op. number, for example, for Bach the catalogue number where three cantatas begin with the same words, BWV 98, BWV 99, and BWV 100. If nothing like that, there may be a year, or one could go by the nickname. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

In the article on the Devil's Trill sonata, I inserted a couple of lines headed "Another sonata." See what you think of that. Marlindale (talk) 00:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

"There is another sonata for violin and piano in G minor by Tartini"

While not being wrong, it's misleading.

As this one is called g5 and there's a g10, I daresay there's more than one. g4 for example.

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Tritone

How and why is the term "tritone" not mentioned even a single time in the current version of this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)