Talk:Visakhapatnam gas leak

DYK nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Mandarax (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Ineligible because of ITN appearance.

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• ... that Visakhapatnam gas leak was an industrial accident that occurred at the LG Polymers chemical plant in R. R. Venkatapuram village on the outskirts of Visakhapatnam, India on the morning of 7 May 2020? Source: Visakhapatnam gas leak claims 11 lives; over 350 hospitalised by The Hindu
  • ALT1:... that styrene gas leaked from the LG Polymers chemical plant in R. R. Venkatapuram village on the outskirts of Visakhapatnam and spread over a radius of about 3 km and death toll was 11, and more than 1000 people were affected? Source: Vizag gas leak Updates: Andhra govt to airlift 500 kgs of PTBC from Daman to neutralise chemical; special NDRF team to fly in from Pune by Firstpost

Created by SmitaVarma (talk). Nominated by Dey subrata (talk) at 17:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC).

• Comment – This will likely be posted as a blurb on ITN, therefore it will not qualify for DYK. Just giving a heads-up. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Video

Is it appropriate to include a video of the disaster ? Includes: possibly dead humans.

File:Vizag Gas Leak Many feared killed after leak in chemical factory.webm

Vizag Gas Leak Many feared killed after leak in chemical factory CREDIT: Raj Kiran Bathula for The Times of India

No, It will not be appropriate to add such video. - Mayankj429 (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Mayankj429, Shanze1, can be used, with proper license. Such files can be seen used in My Lai Massacre, Ghouta chemical attack, The Holocaust and many more. Dey subrata (talk) 13:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

As per the examples mentioned, this can be added then. - Mayankj429 (talk) 13:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Added it. Shanze1 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Nizil Shah The video is using proper license. Can you re-add it please. Shanze1 (talk) 13:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Shanze1, it has been added, he might not have seen the license, obvious from the TOI logo anyone can presume it to be copyrighted. Dey subrata (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shanze1 and Dey subrata:, sorry, my bad. TOI logo fooled me. Thanks for readding.-Nizil (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Nizil Shah, its ok. I myself was going to remove it, but then have seen the license at youtube. Anyway continue imrpving it. Dey subrata (talk) 14:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Can someone point to where the license is? Somebody has tried to mark the infobox image for deletion too. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice4What At the source, the youtube video. And for all other user, I want to say, I 've restored, the video at the article, nomination does not mean deleted and the argument put by a new user at the deletion seem totally bogus. It was uploaded and published by TOI. And the license used for the video is CC BY 4.0, so don't remove the video.Dey subrata (talk) 12:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The video is informational and it would be a shame if deleted, but that needs to be discussed on the deletion page on Commons.--Hippeus (talk) 12:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Already countered the poor logic at the discussion at commons. Eatcha your upload is correct, there is nothing wrong in it so far I have seen the datas, the links to counter your uplaod by the user who nominated it does seems correct, The TOI uploaded the file way in the morning at around 10-11 am local time. Secondly, if it were not copyrighted by TOI and someone else had it then already YOUTube had received a OTRS by now and the video would have been shown as deleted due to copyright violation which is not the case. Dey subrata (talk) 12:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Merge

There is a discussion whether to merge this article with another article Visakhapatnam Gas Tragedy. Abishe (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Merge: Without the year mentioned. This isnt any yearly, seasonal or repetitive event. so, no point of mentioning year. example- Bhopal Gas Tragedy ❯❯❯ S A H A 12:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Merge should be, Visakhapatnam Gas Tragedy to Visakhapatnam gas leak. The national and international medias called it leak not tragedy. And can be evident from the fact that the death is very low. Dey subrata (talk) 12:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy merge : Visakhapatnam Gas Tragedy to Visakhapatnam gas leak, as it is been called gas leak commonly and the second article on same incident makes no sense.- Mayankj429 (talk) 12:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy merge - why keep duplicates? And this article is better... RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 13:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Speedy merge completed. -Nizil (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit conflict

@Dey subrata and Mayankj429:, please stop editing for a while //in use// notice is displayed. I am updating the article and your edits causes conflict for me. Thanks,-Nizil (talk) 13:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Nizil Shah, I am not doing anything conflicting, but you surely have done something incorrect. If something is wrong, it should be corrected, ain't it? Bdw no one is stopping you from amkign the article better. I am just checking the details what has been added and removed. Dey subrata (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Just commenting. The //in use// tag means no one should edit the article as long as that tag is on. Only the person who added the tag should edit the article. Now if the tag is on more than an hour, then I would say it is ok to edit. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Duplicates of Cause of Leak

The subsections 'Investigation' and 'Facilities and leakage' capture the same info. My opinion is that no definite cause of the leak has been found yet, so all reasons regarding the leak are just initial speculations and should be covered under the 'Investigation' sub-section. Any thoughts? --Zack3142 (talk) 02:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I feel the same. Let's wait for a while and till then, use the Investigation section. Shanze1 (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Zack3142, Shanze1...The section "Facilities and leakage" is for description about the plant facility and type of gas produced, used and how gas leaked in brief. And the "investigation" will describe not only the cause of gas leak but a detailed history, when plant was shut down and when it was opened and what was the guidelines for the safety, whose negligence and role of management, how the gas spread, what steps were taken to reduce the effect and many more things which will be developed through investigation with times as information comes out. Dey subrata (talk) 09:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Map improvement

Of the five villages mentioned (R. R. Venkatapuram, Padmapuram, BC Colony, Gopalapatnam and Kamparapalem) only one clearly appears on the map: Gopalapatnam. Propably RRV Puram is Visakhapatnam ? but that isn't clear to me. Rmhermen (talk) 14:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Rmhermen The map in the infobox is about the topic. And the topic or the article is gas leak at a plant. So the map clearly showing RRV Puram which is the place of incident. Mind it, the article is not about where the gas spread, above that those 5 villages are most affected not only affected, its "gas" spreaded in all direction. Hope it answers your concern. Dey subrata (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

• Nizil Shah I'v just seen that you have edited the map. Looks good but the co-ordinate is wrong, can you please check the co-ordinate that was previously there and correct accordingly, the plant is 2 cm downward near the rail station. Dey subrata (talk) 09:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I have reused old coord now.-Nizil (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Styrene gas?

The article referred in its lead to "styrene gas". But the article styrene gives its boiling point as 145°C. Styrene is not a gas at "room temperature", nor even at the temperature of an Indian summer. I suggest "styrene vapor" might be a better descriptor. I've changed the lead accordingly. Maproom (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I see that the source cited refers to "styrene gas". I acknowledge that a reliable source outvotes reality – I'll revert my edit. Maproom (talk) 21:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I think we should stick with reality, no matter what any source says! Otherwise this place too turns into lala land. --Palosirkka (talk) 08:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Boiling is not the only way. See Vapor, contrast with Gas (see Evaporation and Vaporization). Styrene is highly evaporative.--Hippeus (talk) 11:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

At temperatures above a compound's boiling point (at equilibrium and the given pressure), *all* of a compound will be in the gas state. Below that temperature, which for styrene at sea level is about 145C, the amount of gas (vapor) present is less. "Less" is rarely zero (Even the Moon has an "atmosphere" with sodium and potassium major components even though both are solids at the relevant temperatures.) The equilibrium concentration of styrene at 30C and sea level would be toxic. One source claims that the partial pressure of styrene is about 10 mm of Hg at 30C. Our atmosphere is about 760 mm Hg (sea level), so that makes the mole composition at eqilibrium about 2% styrene. The (known) LD_lo (30 minutes) is about 10 000 ppm which is 1%, so at 30C the equilibrium concentration is very dangerous and possibly lethal to humans. Above BP, a substance can displace ALL of the air in a given volume (and cause asphyxiation), but the amount of that substance required to do that would be quite large. Poison gasses don't displace air (at least, they need displace very little to be lethal), their toxicity comes from the small amount present which is respired and causes toxic effects. "Vapor/vapour" would imho be more accurate or most accurate "air containing styrene vapor", but the terms gas|vapor are commonly confused and here wikipedia is no help; those definitions are quite specialized and don't define what I consider to be actual and proper use.(174.130.70.61 (talk) 10:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

174.130.70.61 gives a very good explanation. The shorthand non-technical form would be to say this is akin to: Humidity, however unlike water even a small proportion of styrene is lethal.--Hippeus (talk) 10:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Vizag Gas Leak Many feared killed after leak in chemical factory.webm

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 03:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Clarify abbreviation in introduction

"The Andhra Pradesh government has announced an ex gratia of ₹1 crore each for the deceased, and issued a G.O. for the release of ₹30 crore for all those affected." What is "G.O.?" It is never stated anywhere in the article. This should be mentioned somewhere, or else should be removed. EpsilonCarinae (talk) 11:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It is the total amount sanctioned by the government, I reworded.--Hippeus (talk) 11:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Report of National Green Tribunal

This document might be a useful reference: Gargava, Prashant (28 May 2020). "Gas Leak at LG Polymers Chemical Plant" (PDF).

The article is marked do not edit, so this link in recorded here for adding in later. --Pakaraki (talk) 07:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pakaraki: the article is not protected as far as I can tell, you can edit it. --Hippeus (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)